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clipper*joe
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ClipsGForce
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What!? where was Coach Paul and billups, they deserve to be up there.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Lionel Hollins are you sh!tting me? Sorry the Grizz had a great team with or without ZBO and finished 1 game in front of us, NOT TO MENTION they damn near went to the WCF last year and played amazing. Yet we finish with a FRANCHISE RECORD WINNIGN %, improve our wins over last year by 8 in a 16 game shortened season, are teh 5 seed in the playoffs, made the playoffs after a 7 year drought, suffered a devastating blow in the immediate beginning of the season to easily our best leader and one of our top 3 players and VDN gets 14th overall? What a crock of sh!t.

VDN may not be the greatest coach but he buckled down when the sh!t hit the fan, this is a disgrace to Vinny and the Clippers. A Clipper coach will never win Coach of the Year unless we finish 82-0 and win every game by 50. No respect and no love. CP3 probably won't even finish in the top 8 in MVP voting when he at least deserves to be given 5th place by default.

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^ You can add Mike Brown, Monty Williams and Stan Van Gundy to the "are you sh*tting me?" list.

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LOL I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE MONTY WAS EVEN ON THE LIST!? How is that humanly possible? New Orleans finished tied with the 4th worst record in the NBA, and actually did better than people thought they would. But having Kaman, Okafor, Ariza, Jack isn't a crap awful team, that's much better than the Bobcats.

Any coach on the Lakers is going to garner votes if they make the playoffs its just a given. As for SVG I will say this, Orlando I believe finished 7th in team defense or OPP PPG which is highly impressive considering they only really have 1 defensive player as Glen Davis doesn't play many minutes.

I am actually shocked Scotty Brooks didn't get more votes, am I wrong or did the OKC thunder have the 4th best record in the NBA or was it the 3rd best? AM I wrong or do they have the 6th man of the year, multiple All-Stars, the scoring Champ and possible MVP on their team? And he doesn't finish top 3?

I'll give Popp credit because I dont know how HE does it or that team still does it. Vogel would also be a guy I think should have tied or came closer to winning it, Indiana played amazing this year and is only going to get better next year.

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Mike Brown received a total of 4 points compared to the 467 that Gregg Popovich received. I think I'm ok with that. I thought Kevin McHale did a much better job than the 2 points he received though.

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I can't believe anybody is surprised. We were all calling for his head halfway through the season.

seanrooks
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There is a lot wrong with what you said here.

First, Randolph is their best player. You take the best player off of any team, I don't care how good you are, if you can coach them to home court advantage in the Western conference, you are doing a good job. Yes, they finished 1 game ahead of us, but our 2 best players, Paul and Griffin missed a combined 6 games. Randolph missed 38, and still hasn't fully recovered since coming back. I think Hollins has done an exceptional job keeping this team going without Randolph and earning a top 4 seed.

Second, I am not sure how their play last year has anything to do with this. So what that they were good last year? What matters is that they were good this year, and they were good in spite of a major injury. That is what counts.

Third, you point out we finished the year with a franchise best for winning percentage. I've got news for you: so did the Grizzlies--without their best player.

You're pointing out our improved record from last year? Let me ask you--have you heard of a guy named Chris Paul? The fact is, this is a MUCH better team this year, mostly because of Paul, and some of the other players who have joined the team. Is Monty Williams a bad coach because the Hornets' record was much worse this season than last year? No, because he doesn't have Paul, and has a different team. Did Erik Spoelstra become a really good coach last year? No, the team just got better because they got LeBron. Improving your record does not always correlate to great coaching. Del Negro got one of the best players in the league this year to work with, so it makes sense why the Clippers' record improved. Not only did Hollins not get a superstar player this year, but he lost one in Randolph for 38 games. And he, like Del Negro, improved his teams' record from last season. Which one of those looks more impressive?

Fourth, you talk about the 7(it's actually 6) year playoff drought. To be honest I'm not sure what this has to do with this season. Hollins was a good coach last year in bringing that team to the playoffs, and was in my opinion a better coach this year for leading that team to the playoffs with a better record despite not having their best player for most of the season. Del Negro was one reason the Clippers had no chance at the playoffs last year, and again, had better players and a different team to work with this year which led to their improvement in the standings.

Fifth, you mention suffering a blow to one of our top 3 players at the beginning of the year. We lost Billups, who was at best our 3rd best player, 22 games in. The Grizzlies lost Randolph, their best player, 3 games in. So there's that.

So yeah, Hollins definitely deserves any praise he gets, especially over Del Negro.

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Brown I'm not sure I completely understand, but under the pressure he got an incomplete Laker team playing well down the stretch.

Williams actually did a great job of getting that team to play hard despite everything that happened with the Paul trade and the insane amount of injuries they had during the year (Gordon, Okafor, Kaman, Ariza, Jack, Smith, etc all missed significant time. That's a starting lineup right there). Remember how tough that team played us? They could have easily tanked and been terrible like the Bobcats, but they actually finished the season on a nice roll. Considering what he had to work with, you could make the argument he did a better job than VDN this year.

SVG is deserving. Have you heard what's going on with Howard? How he wants to leave? How he wants to stay? How he wants a trade? How he wants SVG fired? And now he's injured?

SVG put up with a LOT of crap, more than any other coach in the league, by far. And outside of Howard, that Magic team is pretty crappy. The fact that he has them in the playoffs despite everything that's happened in Orlando is impressive. Also, they stole game one in Indiana. So SVG deserves some credit for what he's done, even though he's probably out in Orlando after the playoffs.

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The Hornets trotted out a D-League team for much of the season. Gordon missed all but like 9 games. Kaman missed a bunch. Okafor missed a bunch. EVERYONE got hurt on that team. But, if you remember from our games against them, they played HARD every game, and finished the season on a nice run. Williams deserves some credit for keeping that mess under control.

And it's BECAUSE Brooks has the 6th man, All Stars, and the possible MVP that he DOESN'T get consideration. With the amount of talent he had the Thunder should have had the best record in the West. The fact that the Thunder blew it down the stretch cost him a lot of votes.

Having All Stars on your team should not get you votes. Think about it--what is more impressive, coaching a team of all stars to a good record, or coaching a team with a lot less talent to a good record? The Spurs finished above the Thunder despite having less talent and having to rest their aging players.

kumfort-deeville
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yeah that hornets team looked damn good down the stretch, played hard....... outplayed there own talent level.... they didnt know they were scrubs

Griffinforpresident
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Where's Paul Silas on the list? Razz

kjavis
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clips had one of the biggest turnarounds from the previous season and VDN is not even considered in the top 10 votes, what does that tell us lol?

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VDN was voted as the mediocre coach most of us believe he is... Look at his record. In Chicago he had talented young teams and coached them to a .500 record. In Los Angeles he achieved about what was expected given the health of the team last year--certainly no more... And he did it again this year.

A team could do worse than VDN, but they could also do alot better. He's not likely to take us where we want to be, but at the same time, we'd better make sure there's a superior candidate out there and that we can get him, before we move on, if we do.

seanrooks
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IT TELLS US THAT WE GOT CHRIS PAUL AND HAVE A DIFFERENT TEAM

I can't stand how people look at a team's record and give ALL the credit to the coach. "This team improved by this many wins, therefore they have the best coach." This logic makes NO SENSE. A team's record and how much it improves also depends on the guys who actually play the damn game.

Sorry for the caps but this is just frustrating.

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seanrooks wrote:
kjavis wrote:
clips had one of the biggest turnarounds from the previous season and VDN is not even considered in the top 10 votes, what does that tell us lol?

IT TELLS US THAT WE GOT CHRIS PAUL AND HAVE A DIFFERENT TEAM

I can't stand how people look at a team's record and give ALL the credit to the coach. "This team improved by this many wins, therefore they have the best coach." This logic makes NO SENSE. A team's record and how much it improves also depends on the guys who actually play the damn game.

Sorry for the caps but this is just frustrating.

Your CAPS are justified. Seems like all the credit/blame goes to the coach. Opposite happened last year when Spoelstra got all the "heat" (Pun intended) for Miami starting off poorly. People were calling for his head...and they went to the finals after that. After all is said and done coaches have a big influence but players make the plays.

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