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In today's news:

lakers lost in Denver because their delicate giant cried about not getting touches enough to make him slack off on 'D', and the snake-boy started jacking again.

Evidently, the "L.A." in L.A. lakers stands for "Low Altitude". Keep at it, Nugs!

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Yea it was a given loss for the Lakers. I still see them taking it to the Nuggets in game 4 and 5 and wrapping it up..

I was actually looking forward to the Knicks/Heat Series but man does that series just suck......

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^ I'm hoping DJ will be inspired my McGee's game. I think those 2 guys measure themselves against each other.

Makes sense... both really athletic with flashes of brilliance, but both capable of epic turd-laying.

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im thinking the flaker series will go at least 6, hopefully in denver's favor lol.

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OW, that Baron Davis injury looked ugly. Wouldn't be surprised if this was his last game.

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yup it did. its a shame his career might end like that. but all the talent he had was wasted due to his lack of professionalism and selfishness

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Lakers should close out the series tonight much to most of you guys dismay. Even though I seriously doubt either the Lakers or Clippers would make it to the conference finals, I really wish we could battle each other for the right to represent LA in the finals. Most likely it would be Lakers in six, Chris Paul would definitely carry your team andhurt the Lakers big time.

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^ The irony is, if we switched prospective round 2 opponents, I think there'd be a very good chance of an all Los Angeles WCF.

And the Clippers would win because we have a legitimate home crowd who will pull on the red shirts and shout themselves hoarse, instead of a bunch of 3rd rate celebrities who are too 'cool' to actually enjoy the game and spend 3 hours texting everyone they know asking if they can be seen on TV.

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without reffing bias, the flakers get beaten in 5. with it, it would take us 7 to beat them. but since that wont happen, in large part due to okc probably annihilating the flakers inside 5 games, we will never know. idk if we beat the spurs but our chances of beating them are far more than the chances the flakers have of beating the thunder.

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Cleepers: Lol, funny because the Lakers' home crowd is a source of irritation for a lot us Lakers fans. You give these guys free tee-shirts to white out the arena and they can't put them on, screw them.

Honestly it would be an extremely tough game against the Clippers because we just can't play good pick and roll defense at all. The only reason I give my team is the edge is because of the injury to Caron Butler who seems to never miss any three point shots against us.

bullsterrier: Ref bias. Okay man, yep, Stern always wants the Lakers to be on top, he has always exhibited that. You just named our secret weapon, the refs, we always play teams eight to five. You're very astute.

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Did Javale McGee just dominate the Lakers?

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Lakers lose at home to Denver. LMAO. Funniest thing to happen in a while. Cry Laker fans cry.

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Bynum's wedgie-jam in the first half made me spit my drink.

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gemfow, shut the f*** up. i know the truth hurts. its ok, your team will not get to face us since i know okc will get the brooms out and sweep u guys. the facts speak for themselves. the nba wants the flakers to go as far as they can because there are a whole lot of uneducated, bandwaggoners on your team. but whatever, it will only slightly delay the inevitable sweep of u guys by okc lol

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the flakers made javale mcgee look like hakeem. he dominated on both ends. i see the series going 7 now.

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Bullterrierclipsfan: really dude? You're actually laughable. I never had any illusions about my team beating OKC, so you saying that doesn't hurt my feelings in the least. I'm actually surprised my team went up 3-1 on Denver. I even stated earlier that my team wouldn't make the WCF, but I guess you have selective amnesia and this is your way of pounding your chest. George Karl is an excellent coach and has been for years and I picked my team in six, but if it goes seven then it goes seven but beating a good team three games in a row is a very tough thing to do.

How can you say the facts speak for themselves? Did you even have a single fact in your post? Let me help you out for a second.

Fact: something that exists; reality, truth

Opinion: a belief or judgement that rests on grounds Insufficient to produce complete certainty.

So when you say the nba wants the Lakers to go as far as they can because of uneducated bandwagoners on our team; Then that's an opinion, that's your belief and it's quite insufficient on all fronts. It doesn't even make a bit of sense for the NBA to want the Lakers to go far because of uneducated bandwagoners, which is my opinion. Are you starting to see the difference now between fact and opinion? Here is fact, the Lakers lost to Denver last night. If you need anymore examples between fact/opinion then let me know.

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The NBA does like it when the Lakers go deep in the playoffs because the ratings go up. San Antonio vs Cleveland finals didn't bring in much ratings that year.

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gemfow, just go away. your condescending tone is so stupid. you always have selective amnesia when u talk S*** about the clips and then flip flop and say "oh i never insult the clips, just making a point" u are a joke man. at least have the balls and say what you really mean man. this is the truth: you are a flaker troll, no matter how hard you try not to be a troll. the truth is that those bandwaggoners who claim to be flaker fans are a whole lot of people. ever since the san antonio vs cavs finals, the nba has tried their hardest to have a finals that gets ratings. thats a fact. another fact is that there are a lot of flaker fans, even if the majority are bandwaggoners. add to that the number of people that despise the flakers and want to see them lose and you will get ratings. i dont care about your illusions or what u think about your team bro. but i do care about all the s*** u talk about the clips. thats a fact. the majority of people on ctb also finds your so called critique of our team when u are a proclaimed flaker fan annoying. thats another fact. how is that for facts bro. lol.

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Both MrB and bullterrier are right. Lakers have a lot of 'fans' who just like to be associated with a successful franchise. You only have to watch them on the road and look for the kobe jerseys... I've never seen anyone in a Chris Mihm or Smush Parker jersey... but of course the lakers were 3rd in their division when those guys played.

They also spur playoff ratings because of the inordinate amount of schadenfreude people feel toward them. I know, because I am one of those people. They are very easy to hate and it's fun to watch them lose.

In England, an economic study found that Manchester United were by far the most hated team in the English Premier League despite having been among the most successful for a very long time.

The same study also found that they had the most fans, but by far the highest percentage of fans who had never even BEEN to Manchester or ever seen the team play live.

The reason for this, the study cited, was that they had a huge national and international 'casual' fanbase who would buy plenty of apparel and memorabilia as an obscure, cool statement of their 'identity', but knew little about the inner workings of the team or the EPL.

UK fans, however, hated the team overwhelmingly because they would poach talent from smaller teams and as such, had a bloated payroll due to the endless stream of revenue produced from their merchandise sales and TV rights, rendering the league "uncompetitive".

The study concluded that the financial ability and willingness of a team to 'purchase' championships correlates directly with the ignorance and disloyalty of their fanbase.

I would be very interested to see a similar study done on the NBA.

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^ strong data cleepers. that is why the flakers get very preferential treatment. i know their fan base likes to point out that the nba nixed the cp3 to the flakers trade. but the reality is that the flakers werent giving up much to get cp3. odom was headed to NOLA. gasol to houston. however houston would have wound end up sending scola and kevin martin to NOLA, in essence being the team giving up the most assets. so the flakers were getting cp3 for odom's high priced contract. we gave up a lot to get cp3 and it was worth it. however, in all honesty, if the flakers didnt get the reffing bias with their crappy team that they have, they wouldnt have made the playoffs. its a business and the fact is that there are a lot of flaker fans that watch their flakers, which brings in huge revenue to the NBA. it is the same thing cleepers mentions with manchester united in england. however i think the situation in spain is worse with Real Madrid and Barcelona. they do the same thing.

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Cleepers. Thank you for the great post. One thing I do enjoy is learning from conversations and I found that post of yours in regards to the study done quite interesting.

I do know that people will latch on to a successful franchise and it's annoying. It's the case with the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys, etc... One reason I can't stand the Raiders is when Art Shell became coach and they went 12-4 two seasons in a row all these black and silver jerseys started coming out the wood works all over LA. I've been a hardcore Vikings fan since I was 15 and I've never understood the whole bandwagon thing, it irritates me. I see it with your Clippers and I live in Maryland and we have people wearing Clippers jerseys all of a sudden, lol. The Wizards are absolutely terrible so I guess they're trying to find a team to latch on to.

I know that there are a lot of Laker fans who in the past cold only name Kobe and Shaq, now Kobe and Pau or whatever big name and I know that the team will equal ratings because of that, same for Miami. As much as I don't trust Stern and I feel he is sheisty, I won't discount what some fans have said because bottom line the NBA is a business over anything. Those are still opinions what people say in regards to people saying the Lakers get favorable calls. I personally believe that the Lakers get superstar calls like everyone else because they usually have stars on the team. We've gone from Magic, Worthy Kareem in the eighties to a nineties where Shaq and Kobe came to the team in 96 and they received superstar calls and now just Kobe with Pau to a degree. The NBA has an issue that no other league has. The big names get calls that the other players just don't get and I feel that's what has driven the league, not just the refs trying to give the game to the Lakers.

Bullterrier: You still have jotted down an opinion(s). You can't say the NBA tries to get the Lakers to the finals due to ratings since Cleveland vs. San Antonio, it's still an opinion since you have nothing to base that on.

Anyway, look man I've entered on this site in good faith. I have not bad mouthed your team like you've accused me of doing. Have I said something about Griffin? Yes I have. I have mentioned his flopping, or what I perceive as flopping. Come on man, have you ever gone to a bar and have engaged in conversation with a fan of another team? Just because you're not a fan of another team doesn't mean people take a jab at the other person's team or players, it's something that comes along with sports.

There have been some Clippers fans on our site and the only time that I started getting irritated was when the guy kept posting Griffin videos, and pumping up Blake on our site. My response was that there is a CTB site for all the Griffin love. This guys was a good poster though, talked about certain Lakers players negatively and I couldn't disagree with some of his observations. He was a good basketball mind and it was not a problem in my opinion. I fully knew he was a Clipper fan but I didn't hold that agaisnt him.

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Both LA basketball teams have brought home a combined 16 championships to the city of LA. Way to go Clippers and Lakers!!

gemflow: Nice trolling sig you have there.

Also, it shows us your lack of knowledge in your own team's history. You do realize that the first five championships were won as the Minneapolis Lakers, right? I guess you're just one of the typical Laker morons who think all 16 were won in Los Angeles. Scratch that, morons who have no idea that the Lakers are originally from Minneapolis.

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Its pretty funny because at least our team was founded in cali...

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NaTeDaGrEaT310 wrote:
Its pretty funny because at least our team was founded in cali... and when i mean founded i mean the name clippers not the braves lol...

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my so called opinion is based on the fact that any finals involving the flakers more than doubles any other finals. at its highest, the finals of last year between dallas and miami has a 17.8 share. this still pales to the 23.3 share the flakers vs orlando had. im sure their two finals series vs the celtics had a much higher share. i believe the cavs vs spurs had a share of 11.2. see why its convenient for the nba to have the flakers in the finals?? u always call blake a flopper and when someone tells u that the flakers are the originators of that u go out of your way to say, "oh i dont like floppers period" to play off the fact that u came on here to talk bad about our players. so stop with the "i came to this site in good faith" talk man.

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Grillinnapp: of course I know that the Lakers won 5 championships in Minneapolis. I also do know that those championships belong to LA since the Lakers belong to LA. What next? Should we rip down Mikan's jersey from the rafters since he didn't play in LA? Also, here is some info for you, we are actually originally from Detroit, not Minneapolis. So thank you for the history lesson champ. I put the signature on there as a joke dude, at least I thought it was funny. Some of you guys are to wound up. I suggest maybe a Long Island Iced Tea or something to calm the nerves.

Natethegreat310: both teams from LA refer to boats, now that's even funnier.

Bullterrierclipsfan: I'm coming to the realization that anything I say you will take as me talking smack about your team. I mentioned Blake flopping something like twice on here, I also responded to some YouTube videos that someone posted with Lakers flopping saying it really doesn't mean much to me because I don't like floppers period, it degrades the game. However through that you combed through my words and have held firm that I've been talking smack about your team. You can go trough my posts and you and I both know I didn't come on here to just talk bad about your team. Why is it that you think I have some resentment to the Clippers or it's players? They represent home so I have no problems with any Cali team, especially the ones from LA. This is what's funny about this whole thing, you're acting like I'm anti-Clippers or something when I'm not. I give an observation about a lot of players whether they're in a Clippers, Kings, mavericks uniform or whatever else.

You're correct, LA does bring in the ratings, the numbers do show that but there isn't any substantial material showing that the NBA tries to ensure LA gets to the finals every year and that's what I was referring to when you mentioned that earlier. Also like I mentioned earlier, I think Stern is shady and I wouldn't put anything past him since the NBA is big business.

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gemflow: Nobody cares about the Detroit Gems and the real official start of the franchise was the Minneapolis Lakers. Why should you count the 5 championships in Minny? Did Angelenos at that time care about the Lakers? And you are comparing a retired jersey to championships? Good job. Should the 1979 title belong to Oklahoma City? I know if the Buffalo Braves won a title, I wouldn't claim it since they did not win it as an LA team. As a Dodger fan, the 1955 World Series doesn't belong in LA. No one is asking to rip down any achievements in Minny. You just should't claim them as if they happened in LA. So no, you're wrong. The first five championships were not "brought home to LA."

You put your sig as a joke? Yeah, right. It's obvious that you did it to troll. You're telling us that we've never won a championship and that was your sole purpose. Funny my ass, you troll.

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gemflow, I like how you're trying to explain your perspective and that's cool and all... but that sig is the epitome of the arrogance of Lakers fans.

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Grillinnapp: I'm not talking about just a retired jersey. I'm talking about accomplishments champ. My whole point being is that the LA Lakers have brought home a certain amount of banners to LA, but I can understand where people want to bring up technicalities, so I have no problem with changing the signature so that way no one can just focus on a signature.

OhmeOhmy: Let's be honest here. Usually fans who have a team who has won championships will have something to brag about, it comes with sports, pure and simple we all know that as sports fans. So, let's not just try to push it off on just someone being a Lakers fan.

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gemfow: Yes, you are. You just f*cking told me about Mikan's jersey. You just want to claim all 16 rings to make your rivalry against the Celtics look closer. Good thing the C's won all their rings in Boston.

Why do you even bother with that sig? It's basically telling us: Haha, the Lakers have 11 of the 12 championships in California! Only the Warriors have the other one. The Kings and Clippers are still ringless!

Your arragoance here is brought by the Clippers winning this year. You have to tell us that your team has won championships? What is your purpose here again? To talk basketball? LOL.

Give it up. You're not being funny. I'm calling for a ban here so I don't have to read your shitty posts.

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I am being honest in saying that your previous sig was directly associated with the arrogance of many (but not all) Lakers fans. You happen to be one of them. It's one thing to brag about 16 Championships. Winning franchises like the Yankees, Steelers, etc. have earned that. But it's an entirely different and specific story to mock the Clippers, as you did, and point out that we have none. Yes, we know that. We hear it all the time living in LA. We hear it all the time from Lakers fans. That is most Lakers fans' default defense. Saying "congrats" to the Clippers for having won nothing is even more blatantly offensive than a backhanded complement could ever be.

You don't post a sig like that on a Clippers forum without expecting to be called out on it. roll You make some decent posts and are usually respectable, gemfow... it's too bad you like to mix it with not-so-subtle trolling.

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Anyways, tonight Kobe is setting up his "flu game" so there's a good chance he'll go for 30+ points.

Hope Denver can take advantage of their home court atmosphere and force a Game 7 back at Staples.

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Grillinapp: Yawn! I was talking about accomplishments under the Lakers team name. So, Mikan was a Laker even though he never played a single game in LA. So, my question was should people just rip his jersey down since he never played for the LA Lakers? Mikan was a part of the Lakers franchise, he was a champion and should be recognized by the Lakers. However I see that a lot of Clippers fans feel the Lakers shouldn't recognize the 5 championships won by the Lakers franchise since it wasn't won in Los Angeles. That's why I asked you the question because I see both as the same.

What you fail to recognize is that I support the Clippers, because I'm born and raised LA. However once you guys knew the Lakers are my team, you guys have taken it to a whole different level. Calling me moronic, a bandwagon fan and all this other stuff. My family has always been Lakers first and Clippers second, my mom was happy that Norm Nixon was still in Cali after he was traded for the rights to draft Byron Scott, she was a big Norm Nixon fan. I was a big Danny Manning fan along with Charles Smith back in the day.

You guys have taken things way too seriously because of a signature. Now you're talking about calling for a ban so you don't have to read my posts (try the ignore button champ, it's there for a reason). Did I break this rule?

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ohMeOhmy: I can truly see where you're coming from when you said what you said about my signature. I expected backlash, but not to the degree it has been received. I respect your response and I'm removing the signature right after this post. I did truly put it down there as a joke but apparently some people bought stock in the Clippers from Sterling. People egg me on about my Minnesota Vikings not ever winning a superbowl but I don't take it to some crazy level, it's funny to me. There are some guys on here using expletives as if they're just that upset. I think some people really need a hug,lol.

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I don't expect LA to win tonight. Kobe must apparently have the runs, so one elbow to the midsection and he will soil his compression shorts, Lakers lose by twelve tonight.

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gemfow: Did I say you should rip down Mikan's jersey? I was merely telling you that you shouldn't claim any of the acheivements from Minnesota. It's okay to acknowledge them but not when it comes to claiming them as LA's own.

And I really doubt you root for the Clippers. I bet you enjoyed every loss the Clippers had this season. You're just using it as a shield from getting any more crap from us true Clipper fans. Your signature was a proof that you really don't like the Clippers. You were trolling witht hat sig. Stop denying it. It was meant to tell us that the Lakers have won 12 titles for LA while the Clippers have had none. And ignore button is for pussies. It would just show that you posted anyway so there's really no point of using the ignore button.

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Yeah, those "FLU GAMES" are pretty laughable. Lakers fans drool over that fake crap.

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this kobe bryant sucks compared to sick jordan

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No you didn't say that. I asked that question champ. My whole point was it's under the Laker's organization.

Of course I rooted against the Clippers towards the end because I didn't want my team to lose the third seed to you guys. As far as every loss this season? You're being absolutely silly. You're going to believe what you choose to believe no matter what I say. I know it's kind of cool for a fan like yourself to say hey I'm a true fan from the beginning, guys hate on us now because we are winning, we don't accept bandwagon fans and so forth. That act is so old. Why not be happy your team is doing well and is trying to close out the Grizzlies. Instead you're trying to pound your chest and its just old dude, I've seen and heard it all.

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gemfow: My whole point is that Angelenos couldn't give two s*its about the championships the Lakers won before they moved to LA. So why should you count it as your own? After all, the reason why you're a Laker fan is because they are an LA team. Regardless if the first five were under the same organization, they still don't belong to the CITY OF LOS ANGELES. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

I don't have anything against bandwagon fans as long as they don't claim to have been fans for a long time. You know what act is so old? How about "So what? Lakers still own this town. How many rings do you have?" We only talk smack about the Lakers here as a retaliation to you morons say on Lakers Top Buzz or whatever Laker board there is. And it's true that Laker fans don't like the Clippers winning. Us stating that is already old to you? LOL, it's only been one season. You guys are one insecure bunch.

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Is Barkley going to talk about Pau Gasol playing like a "small forward" like he did Blake? Probably not...

Is Bynum the most immature star in a long while? Calling close out games "easy" and not giving any effort in the last two close out games.

As much as I don't prefer Kobe, I respect Kobe's effort. He looked like the only one who wanted it tonight.

Ty Lawson and Andre Miller play at opposite ends of the speed spectrums, but they both killed it tonight. Faried was a monster. He'll be playing in an all star game in a few years. Book it.

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fair enough. appreciate it.

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You like to bring up history and people knowing their team's history, those championships are part of Laker history. However I guess you want to have it both ways.

Oh yes, it's old hearing you and other Clippers fans say people hate us because we are winning. A lot of fans use the default term of people hating us because we are winners. So, yes it's old. The term hater has been overused since the Life After Death album.

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gemfow: No, I don't have it both ways. You just don't get it, do you? Your trolling sig said that the Lakers brought home 16 championships to the city of LA. I simply corrected you that five of those belong to Minneapolis and you just keep moving the goal post in this argument. Those titles are a part of the LAKERS history, not the CITYs history. Do you see the difference there or do I have to explain it to you again?

Let's see. Here's your original sig:

"Both LA basketball teams" - meaning LOS ANGELES LAKERS AND CLIPPERS, so the Minneapolis Lakers are irrelevant in your sig. "CITY OF LA" - meaning championships won as an LA team.

Why is it old to you? It's the truth. You Laker fans just don't like sharing the spotlight with us. If you keep thinking it's old, then why don't you ask your fellow Laker fans why you hate us now. If you don't like that statement, then stick to Lakers Top Buzz, fool.

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the differences are: a) kobe always uses this type of excuse when there is a high probability the flakers will lose and B) this was in the first rd of the playoffs against a team bynum said they should have no difficulty closing vs game 5 in the nba finals of 1997 when the series was tied 2 to 2. that is a huge difference. proves MJ>>>>>kobe

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Grillinnapp: point well taken. So, both great Los Angeles franchises have brought a combined eleven championships home to LA. Thank you for correcting this lost Angeleno.

You can't speak for all Lakers fans just like I haven't labeled all Clippers fans as bitter as you are.

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gemflow: It's easy to speak for all Laker fans when you make trolling sigs. You're just a moron who can't admit they were wrong. Who are you calling inbred? I'm pretty sure you're rooting for the Grizzlies so that would be hypocritical of you.

You calling me bitter? I'm not the one making dumbass trolling sigs on an opposing team's message board.

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Hey guys- I'm going to say it one time- let's quit it with the personal attacks. Even though Gemfow is a Laker fan, he hasn't violated any site rules. This site welcomes fans of any team as long as they are not trolling and breaking site rules. Thanks in advance....

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I owe you an apology. I really shouldn't have resorted to calling you any sort of name, no matter if it was in retaliation. I pride myself on not doing things like that and dropping below standards I have set for myself.

Also I'm bringing this discussion to an end because it really has gone nowhere but downhill.

As you well know, I already removed the signature that offended you when ohmeohmy brought up a good point, I saw it and removed it promptly. I'm not a rigid thinker. Enjoy your night.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He also sucks compared to "put me back in, Coach... we're only down 24... we can still win this" CP3.

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Kobe was actually the only one that showed up for the Lakers. His teammates just completely folded.

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