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Cliptomaniac
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Sterling - don't blow this. The only coaching came from cp3 and Chauncey this year. And while your at it, DJ should go to Hakeem summer school.

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Brian Shaw!!!!!!

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Phil Jackson. If not we stay with Vinny

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My first post.

But honestly I dont want sloan. I dont need them to recreate the jazz in LA.

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I found it interestin how Olshey said the Clips lost the chess match. Pop is the Chess Master. Vin was playing checkers.

Anyone but Stan Van. That guy always seems like the world is ending

Olshey should personally be shopping for a shooting coach for BG and DJ. Even before a head coach

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JERRY SLOAN! CALL HIS ASS UP BEFORE HE MAKES A MISTAKE AND GOES TO CHARLOTTE O.O OR ORLANDO!

Please! have we ever had a good coach besides larry brown and jack ramsay? alvin gentry was okay, but we've never had a legendary coach like Sloan, him cp3 and blake alone lock up the division title and a top 3 seed. PLEASE DTS STOP BEING A CHEAP BASTARD!!

In other news, chauncey billups just retweeted a guy tweeting him saying @MrBigShotCB1 being a clutch ft shooter, 3pt shooter. And smart calm player. I say Miami Heat is the perfect place. Cuz they need all that.

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I love the brian shaw idea, not cause it till tick kobe off (part of it), but he has amazing potential and having won championships as a player and as an assistant coach with phil..He can blossom to be OUR phil jackson along with cp3 and blake and build a dynasty.

I believe this coaching pick decides our future, honestly. cp and blake should have the last word and the right coach can do wonders for this already talented roster, you get this, you get it all.

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CP needs to be the leader. Chauncey probably needs to go. Plus he still thinks he should start somewhere

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Abrasive image aside, SVG knows how to coach basketball. Check out this info from Clipperblog http://clipperblog.com/2012/05/22/clippers-facing-crucial-coaching-dec ision/

    Over the five season span that (Stan) Van Gundy coached the team, the Magic ranked second-best in the league in defensive efficiency, second in defensive field goal percentage and first in points in the paint allowed.

    All because of Dwight Howard, you say? Consider that in Howard's three seasons before Van Gundy became head coach, the team ranked 15th, 11th and seventh in those categories.

    That could be a product of Howard simply coming into his own and developing into a dominant force as an NBA player. But though Howard reportedly wanted the coach out of town, Van Gundy leaves with several impressive items on his coaching resume.[...]

    Since Van Gundy took over, he led the Magic to a better regular-season record than all but three teams. The only franchsies who were better are the Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics and San Antonio Spurs.[...]

    But Elias tells us that Van Gundy is in rare company. Along with Jackson, the only others who coached at least eight seasons and never had a losing record are former Knicks coach Joe Lapchick and former 76ers coach Billy Cunningham. Both are in the Hall of Fame.

    And Van Gundy's .641 career winning percentage puts him in another elevated group: coaches with a winning percentage that high who have coached at least 500 games. Counting Van Gundy, that group is only six members and includes Jackson, Gregg Popovich and Red Auerbach.

BG and DJ sucked as a defensive tandem this past season. They were confused on rotations, communicated poorly, and were hardly ever in the correct defensive positions. SVG could clear that up. Dwight was a big reason why they were a great defensive team, but we know that one guy can't do it all. SVG had them playing great team D, and that's what we need.

Both BG and DJ are athletic enough like Dwight, but both of their biggest weaknesses is that they are both clueless on team defense. Not a BG jumpshot, or a DJ post-move... but team defense. Knowing how to stop and recover from a pick and roll, stopping interior passing, anticipating cutters, staying with your man and not getting exposed on the weak side, etc... This is where they can make the biggest jump from this year to the next. If SVG can build up DJ and BG as a defensive backline force, then we'll make a big-time leap as a team.

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JERRY SLOAN! CALL HIS ASS UP BEFORE HE MAKES A MISTAKE AND GOES TO CHARLOTTE O.O OR ORLANDO!

Please! have we ever had a good coach besides larry brown and jack ramsay? alvin gentry was okay, but we've never had a legendary coach like Sloan, him cp3 and blake alone lock up the division title and a top 3 seed. PLEASE DTS STOP BEING A CHEAP BASTARD!!

In other news, chauncey billups just retweeted a guy tweeting him saying @MrBigShotCB1 being a clutch ft shooter, 3pt shooter. And smart calm player. I say Miami Heat is the perfect place. Cuz they need all that.

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CP needs to be the leader. Chauncey probably needs to go. Plus he still thinks he should start somewhere

he already is, and I don't mind him going to Miami, i would LOVE that being Lebron's team is my second team, I wanted chauncey in Miami cause he would put them on top. I would love to see chauncey get another ring and to help out lebron get his first would be epic!

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plus IMO we need a TALL, DEFENSIVE 2 guard to start and have bledsoe of the bench with ? i wanted chauncey of the bench with bledsoe but it probably won't happen. I want Nick Young to be our back up 3, I heard him to lakers is a possibility, naaaaaah - kmart

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Abrasive image aside, SVG knows how to coach basketball. Check out this info from Clipperblog http://clipperblog.com/2012/05/22/clippers-facing-crucial-coaching-dec ision/

    Over the five season span that (Stan) Van Gundy coached the team, the Magic ranked second-best in the league in defensive efficiency, second in defensive field goal percentage and first in points in the paint allowed.

    All because of Dwight Howard, you say? Consider that in Howard's three seasons before Van Gundy became head coach, the team ranked 15th, 11th and seventh in those categories.

    That could be a product of Howard simply coming into his own and developing into a dominant force as an NBA player. But though Howard reportedly wanted the coach out of town, Van Gundy leaves with several impressive items on his coaching resume.[...]

    Since Van Gundy took over, he led the Magic to a better regular-season record than all but three teams. The only franchsies who were better are the Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics and San Antonio Spurs.[...]

    But Elias tells us that Van Gundy is in rare company. Along with Jackson, the only others who coached at least eight seasons and never had a losing record are former Knicks coach Joe Lapchick and former 76ers coach Billy Cunningham. Both are in the Hall of Fame.

    And Van Gundy's .641 career winning percentage puts him in another elevated group: coaches with a winning percentage that high who have coached at least 500 games. Counting Van Gundy, that group is only six members and includes Jackson, Gregg Popovich and Red Auerbach.

BG and DJ sucked as a defensive tandem this past season. They were confused on rotations, communicated poorly, and were hardly ever in the correct defensive positions. SVG could clear that up. Dwight was a big reason why they were a great defensive team, but we know that one guy can't do it all. SVG had them playing great team D, and that's what we need. Both BG and DJ are athletic enough like Dwight, but just have to be taught how to play proper D. If SVG can build up DJ and BG as a defensive backline force, then we'll make a big-time leap as a team.

We have weak egos (besides caron and maybe cp) they wouldn't be able to handle SVG's ways. Sloan would put them in there place.

I WISH WE GOT DOUG COLLINS OR THIBEDOU!!!

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time for dj and bg to toughen up if svg is our coach

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I don't think we have weak egos. CP3 and Butler are pure pros. I believe BG when he says "he knows he has a lot to work on" and he wants to be great and will take constructive criticisms seriously. They are our leaders and the rest of the team will follow. What we need is bball knowledge, discipline and especially HONESTY from our head coach. There are a lot of flaws that I feel SVG would point out and clear up.

As you can tell, I'm really starting to ride this SVG train. I think he's better than McMillain, and Sloan is kind of a pipe dream. SVG is a top 10, maybe top 5 coach in the league right now... and he's available.

Klossthegoat
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did you all not see the offense Orl ran? Was like watching paint dry

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I have a feeling that vinny's coming back. Anyways, the front office has till may 31 to decide. Andy Roesner said a decision will be made a lot earlier than that.

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No, I didn't watch a lot of Orlando recently, but don't you think it has a lot to do w/ personnel? It seemed to me that ORL was just Dwight and a bunch of shooters. Our ball-dominant superstar PG and an athletic freak in BG should call for something different, right?

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Like I said, the last word should go to BG and CP. Vinny is NOT a championship coach, he doesn't have the expiernce, were in WIN NOW mode to save our players, can't afford any Front Office Failures..

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Vinny got us motivated, to never give up, he's a motivator, develops talent, played gritty D, be tough (besides the flopping)

He gets outcoached easily from the greats, can't draw up plays after timeouts, bad rotations, isn't tough on cp and bg, horrible offense (admitted doesn't have an offense because the greatness of cp) gets into it with players and DOESN'T HAVE PLAYOFF EXPIERNCE!

As for Ivoroni, I mean he use to be the coach of the grizz, so an ex coach as an assistant is good I guess, but I mean blake and dj haven't developed at all...

-GeoffClankinsDaddy-
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svg is not sure if he wants to return to coaching...Dwight really hurt him lol

-GeoffClankinsDaddy-
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what's lenny wilkens doing these days lmao....don nelson anyone? (LOL)

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all this talk of VDN being a great developer of young talent can really be questioned.

How is Trey doing? How is DJ doing? Why wasn't Bledsoe getting more minutes until the playoffs?

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This is a SLAM article ranking the Top 10 coaches from earlier this season, and I think it's a pretty decent assessment.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... t-coaches/

According to the article...

10.) Nate McMillan, Portland Trailblazers

The Blazers appeared the best team in the West after a couple weeks, but have slowed down a bit after this 7-9 stretch in their last 16 games. I actually feel bad ranking McMillan this low because he remains one of the more underrated coaches in the League. The Blazers definitely have a loaded roster, but their talent level really doesn't match up to say the Lakers, Clippers, or Thunder. However, McMillan, who was best known for his defense during his 12 years as a Seattle Supersonic, brings the same defensive preachings to the Portland squad he now guides from the sidelines. Throw in the fact that he's also got a good mind for half-court offenses and has dealt with more ravaging injuries (Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, etc.) than any other coach and it's no wonder McMillan is so respected by his peers. Of course, until he truly succeeds in the postseason, the rest of the country might not notice.

*Improving the Clips defense is our biggest issue, and CP3 loves the half-court offense.

9.) Stan Van Gundy, Orlando Magic

Listen, let's none of us sit here and try to analyze Van Gundy based on the personality we see on TV. Does he annoy his players and appear way too overbearing at times? Sure, but I'll tell you what. His teams always finish close to the top of all defensive categories, and that takes more than one gigantic man inside to accomplish. And speaking of Dwight, Van Gundy gets a pass this season. He does. How can you expect to coach your team with clear eyes when your franchise player could be departing at any second? Even with all the distractions, Van Gundy still has Orlando afloat at 15-10 in the congested Southeast. And let's not forget it was StanVan that urged and inspired Howard to become more of the defensive presence that he is today. It should be interesting to see how Van Gundy handles the Magic once the big man's gone, but for now you can't argue with the intensity he brings to the game and his overall winning percentage of .649 (349-189), second highest amongst any coaches on this list who've been at the helm at least two full seasons.

Again with the defense. Imagine if SVG turns DJ into 2/3, hell, even half of Dwight Howard. He'd be worth the large contract. BG would benefit greatly on defense too.

  1. Doc

  2. Scott Brooks

  3. Adelman

  4. Karl

  5. Thibs

  6. Doug Collins

  7. Carlisle

  8. Pops

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Trey is in his first season...errr...first 66 games. There was no time for a second rounder. DJ is a 4th year player and has always been questioned for his effort. This was on his draft profile. DJ, honestly, isn't a smart player. You can't teach smarts. Bledsoe has improved and he did it in a big way, all under VDN.

Also, maybe Bledsoe didn't get more minutes because he played so hard, asking the coach to take him was the end result. In game six, he asked VDN to take him out. That's one occasion that I can confirm.

Noah is on record as saying VDN helped him develop his game so I am sure there are more players that will vouch for him.

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ohMEohMy! wrote:

10.) Nate McMillan, Portland Trailblazers

The Blazers appeared the best team in the West after a couple weeks, but have slowed down a bit after this 7-9 stretch in their last 16 games. I actually feel bad ranking McMillan this low because he remains one of the more underrated coaches in the League. The Blazers definitely have a loaded roster, but their talent level really doesn't match up to say the Lakers, Clippers, or Thunder. However, McMillan, who was best known for his defense during his 12 years as a Seattle Supersonic, brings the same defensive preachings to the Portland squad he now guides from the sidelines. Throw in the fact that he's also got a good mind for half-court offenses and has dealt with more ravaging injuries (Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, etc.) than any other coach and it's no wonder McMillan is so respected by his peers. Of course, until he truly succeeds in the postseason, the rest of the country might not notice.

*Improving the Clips defense is our biggest issue, and CP3 loves the half-court offense.

Again, McMillan is on par with VDN in terms of playoff success.

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9.) Stan Van Gundy, Orlando Magic

Listen, let's none of us sit here and try to analyze Van Gundy based on the personality we see on TV. Does he annoy his players and appear way too overbearing at times? Sure, but I'll tell you what. His teams always finish close to the top of all defensive categories, and that takes more than one gigantic man inside to accomplish. And speaking of Dwight, Van Gundy gets a pass this season. He does. How can you expect to coach your team with clear eyes when your franchise player could be departing at any second? Even with all the distractions, Van Gundy still has Orlando afloat at 15-10 in the congested Southeast. And let's not forget it was StanVan that urged and inspired Howard to become more of the defensive presence that he is today. It should be interesting to see how Van Gundy handles the Magic once the big man's gone, but for now you can't argue with the intensity he brings to the game and his overall winning percentage of .649 (349-189), second highest amongst any coaches on this list who've been at the helm at least two full seasons.

Again with the defense. Imagine if SVG turns DJ into 2/3, hell, even half of Dwight Howard. He'd be worth the large contract. BG would benefit greatly on defense too.

The ONLY reason why SVG is a good defensive coach is because of Howard. He is a true defensive anchor. His team in Miami wasn't considered a good defensive team.

He has always had problems with centers. From Shaq to Howard

"I know for a fact that he's a master of panic, and when it gets time for his team to go in the postseason and do certain things, he will let them down because of his panic."

Shaq

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Laugh all you want but it would've been interesting to see MDSr coach this squad. Xs and Os.

Weird to think he never got the chance to coach Blake.

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I was actually thinking the same thing. I think it might have worked with him and the squad we have.

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clipper*joe wrote:
ohMEohMy! wrote:

all this talk of VDN being a great developer of young talent can really be questioned.

How is Trey doing? How is DJ doing? Why wasn't Bledsoe getting more minutes until the playoffs?

Trey is in his first season...errr...first 66 games. There was no time for a second rounder. DJ is a 4th year player and has always been questioned for his effort. This was on his draft profile. DJ, honestly, isn't a smart player. You can't teach smarts. Bledsoe has improved and he did it in a big way, all under VDN.

Also, maybe Bledsoe didn't get more minutes because he played so hard, asking the coach to take him was the end result. In game six, he asked VDN to take him out. That's one occasion that I can confirm.

Noah is on record as saying VDN helped him develop his game so I am sure there are more players that will vouch for him.

Trey can slide cause he's a rookie. But it was just painfully obvious that we could've used a stretch 4 against the Spurs, and we know Trey has some of those skills, yet he saw less time than Gomes. Early in the regular season is where we could've given him more experience, especially before KMart arrived, because he has a smooth shot and he looks like he can play some decent defense. I'd be very disappointed if he wasn't used more next year.

Regarding DJ, I think "you can't teach smarts" is kind of an overused cliche. What does that really mean? Are you referring to his basketball instincts? You're right, all DJ does is react on defense instead of anticipate and put himself in good position, but I feel like a lack of instinct can be overcome by knowledge and experience given by a coach. Tyson Chandler struggled in his first few years in the league, and was labeled a bust by Bulls fans. Now, Chandler attributes a lot of his development due to experience. I'd say DJ needs better coaching, and more experience. Using a cliche myself, I'd say "athleticism can't be taught," and it's DJ that has it in spades. I think he can greatly improve.

As for Bledsoe's development, I'd be more inclined to credit CP3 and Billups over VDN. Bledsoe said it himself after Spurs game 1 that he learned so much this season from CP3, Billups and Mo. Even looking at his moves on the court, it's clear that he emulates CP3.

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I find this statement absurd.

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McMillain may be on par with VDN in terms of playoff success, but the gap in experience is wide. He has more experience coaching, developing def/off systems for his team, and is respected amongst his peers. If he's good enough to help coach the USA team, that has to be in his favor.

In regards to SVG, Dwight is of course a big part of it, but who helped Dwight become great? SVG must've played a part in it. Also a good defensive coach will design a system that caters to their players' strengths and cover up other players' weaknesses. They had a star in Dwight, but they've also had jameer nelson, jason rich, turk and others in the past who aren't known for their D. Both players and coaches create defensive success. SVG has proven to do that when given the talent. I'd like to see what he could do w/ the Cilppers' talent.

As far as the Shaq quote, it's really just an opinion from a former-player who likes to give exaggerated statements. SVG has had a tumultuous year, w/ the Dwight Howard saga, the media, the lack of support from the front office and the depreciating talent of his roster, yet he still got his team to play hard against the Pacers in the playoffs. I think he's learned a lot this season and I've even read that he's mellowed out after the experience. He'd be coming to a good situation in the Clips.

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Well Jerry Sloan is obviously ours for the taking. He's actually saying in the press that he's interested in the Bobcats job! He may have a bit of Dimensia and/or Alzheimers kicking in.

If we want him all Neil has to do is the make the offer and he's here.

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To be honest, I'll be happy with anyone other than Vinny and maybe Stan Van

But Im eager for a coaching decision. It should come soon.

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Even though VDN and McMillian have gone similar lengths in the postseason I think McMillian deserves more credit. The Blazers teams he took into the postseason make our squad after Memphis look 100% healthy. He was taking Blazers teams to the post season that were so banged up he had to practice with the team and injured himself. I remembering following the Blazer closely in the post season back then since we were done and they were a young exciting team. Given the roster we have I think we could definitely make the Western Conference Finals next year.

If Blake and CP3 want to stick with Vinny I'm ok with it. I think bringing in McMillian would give us a coach with more credibility than VDN but not an ancient HOF coach that's coming out of retirement for a year or two. I still prefer a coach that can grow with the team.

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Saw that too, but don't read anything into it. He just did some online Q&A and was re-tweeting all the love he was getting from fans everywhere. He also retweeted stuff from Clippers fans, his Denver fans, and Detroit fans.

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Let's hope and pray Chicago cuts ties with Tom Thibedeau or however you spell his name. I'd LOVE for him to come here. Our team instantly would become better defenders. We seem to have the offensive aspect down, we can't guard the 3, sub correctly etc right. Thib should have been the first choice!

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Can we convince Hubie Brown to give up that kush talking job?

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Every single time I see him on TV and I am with another person they all laugh when I say that guy looks like he's been dead for 10 years. Or they say OH MY GOD HE LOOKS TERRIBLE! Hubie probably is dead and they are running him on batteries and a series of wires and pulley systems.

Thanks but no thanks to Hubie. Tom Thib or bust.

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Good to see your worried about how he looks, and not the fact that he's one of the greatest basketball minds around.

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JVG was doing the Sixers/Celts gm and was talking about how Doug Collins said he's trying to be less confrontational with players. He went on to say that the purpose of coaching is to break habits and that requires some confrontation.

Hire this man. Nuff said.

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Scottie Pippin to coach the Clippers lol

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VDN is a solid coach as far as keeping calm and fighting on. But if we're gonna win, I suggest hiring some solid minds around him. Hire SVG as a defensive coordinator and hire someone who can draw up plays out of time outs.

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