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Klossthegoat
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my god. I think Vinny should go, but I thought they would be PC and rave about Vinny. CP changed the subject to how good the front office was and Blake's body language was hilarious. Do they even like Vinny?

The question was asked about what they think of the job Vinny did or something.

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I saw the same thing. He is a goner...

Clippersfan86
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Hope it means he's gone.

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Yeah, I agree.

I think he's gone and it may not be fair, but I think ownership will have to step up and provide this team with the best possible chance for a title and that starts with an elite coach.

I'm really hoping for Jerry Sloan. He would bring sooo much credibility to this organization. It would be th next natural evolution for the rise of the Clippers.

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I think Sloan would bring INSTANT credibility and would get the most out of everybody including guys who seem out of place such a Mo Williams. If we got Sloan... I'd be the happiest man alive. He's going to FORCE Griffin to learn to set a proper screen or he will bench his ass. If DeAndre takes his sweet time getting up the court on D? Get sat on the bench. Exactly the kind of coach we need.

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My problem with Sloan, is what we saw in Utah with Deron Williams. As brilliant as he may be, his personality does not seem to mesh with the modern star player. He is old and stubborn and set in his way. As much as this team needs a good Xs and Os guy to fill in for Vinny, they can't completely give up what Vinny did bring. Vinny kept the players interested and playing hard and motivated all the time because he is young and relatively new to this and that's just his personality. I feel like Sloan would just eat the souls of Griffin, DeAndre and Bledsoe. He just doesn't seem like he has the right personality, and that matters.

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Eat the soul of DeAndre yes... but not Blake or Eric. They seem to NEED somebody to whip them to get them going. They NEED a firm coach. CP3 has played for 2 firm coaches in recent years (Scott+Williams) and praised the hell out of both. I don't see same issues that Sloan had in Utah.

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Yes, he clashed with D-Will. But CP3 has a completely different personality.

Who better to coach Griffin/CP3 than the guy that coached Malone/Stockton?

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I actually think Deandre is very coachable. He is a hard worker, loves to train, and loves to get better. I would love for the Clippers to bring in Kareem to coach him, I bet it would be the opposite of how he was with the Kandiman. Olowokandi hated being coached by Kareem but I am 100% sure DJ would suck everything in like a sponge and embrace it.

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Ricky wrote:
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My problem with Sloan, is what we saw in Utah with Deron Williams. As brilliant as he may be, his personality does not seem to mesh with the modern star player. He is old and stubborn and set in his way.

Yes, he clashed with D-Will. But CP3 has a completely different personality.

Who better to coach Griffin/CP3 than the guy that coached Malone/Stockton?

I do think Paul would be better than Williams, but this also is a different era. Superstars are more pampered today and think they deserve special treatment. Sloan hates that.

Also, I could see Sloan being too harsh on the younger players.

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that was me btw - who asked the question

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We should not worry about diva treatment and attitudes when it comes to our stars. We have two upstanding superstars who are nothing but classy. BG can say some things to the media sometimes, but for the most part he does not seem like a guy that has let the fame get to his head. I can't say enough about CP3, besides KD, probably one of the most respectful superstars. Only person I can see Sloan clashing with is Mo-Will, but that's if he stays which I do not see happening.

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My problem with Sloan is that he's 70 years old. How long does he want to coach?

Klossthegoat
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are u one of the Clipperblog guys?

I'm warming to the idea of Dantoni. He was a suspension away from a championship and gave the Spurs fits

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Ricky wrote:
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My problem with Sloan, is what we saw in Utah with Deron Williams. As brilliant as he may be, his personality does not seem to mesh with the modern star player. He is old and stubborn and set in his way.

Yes, he clashed with D-Will. But CP3 has a completely different personality.

Who better to coach Griffin/CP3 than the guy that coached Malone/Stockton?

well put. Deron Williams is weak minded and doesnt really have the heart of a winner. Just a quick look at him and you already see he is always a little chubby (remind anyone of a previous PG we had???) and wants to do what he wants to do. Blake, CP3 and Bledsoe all seem like they are willing to work hard and play hard doing whatever it takes including be criticized.

Deron Williams on the other hand, the guy just straight seems like he has a bad attitude a lot of the time. I dont think there could be a further a part comparison. Everyone says Blake is old school with his work ethic in the gym and CP3 is an old school style floor general so why not get a coach that matches that.

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Pincus, you are the man!!! Who would you like to see coaching the clips if you had your top 3 picks?

Thanks so much for asking that question, btw.

Klossthegoat
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Sloan passed on CP for DWill in the draft, CP might have issues with him.

Dantoni's Knicks played D with Chandler. I really think he should be the top candidate

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At least with either Sloan or D'Antoni, there will be an offensive system in place. That was one thing that was sorely lacking under VDN. Its amazing to me that we had a good a season as we did, considering how rarely we got easy buckets in the half court offense. Both Sloan and D'Antoni have their drawbacks, but I'd take either over VDN. I don't think Vinny is a bad coach, but we need someone better to take our team to the next level.

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If ou look at any post of mine in any of the 200 threads that talk about Vinny my theme has been constant,,,let Bg and CP3 pick their coach and if Vinny is it,,so be it. But if not,,then we move on.

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sloan is a pipe dream. come on guys, be a gm and pick a more realistic option. i wanna see it. the only realistic coach i could see coming here is nate and i dont think the guy ever made it out of the 1st round except for his 1 time as a supersonic coach

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I didn't see it (like probably a lot of guys) what did you take from the answers? Do you think Blake and CP want Vinny gone?

Clippersfan86
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Glad Eric asked a good question like always. Sick of the media asking generic questions only to watch the players/coach laugh at the stupidity of it. Asking things like "How does it feel to get swept" etc... is just a waste of time. Ask something detailed!

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We should have more reporters like this guy:

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LOL!!!!

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clipperboy24 wrote:
Ricky wrote:
seanrooks wrote:
My problem with Sloan, is what we saw in Utah with Deron Williams. As brilliant as he may be, his personality does not seem to mesh with the modern star player. He is old and stubborn and set in his way.

Yes, he clashed with D-Will. But CP3 has a completely different personality.

Who better to coach Griffin/CP3 than the guy that coached Malone/Stockton?

well put. Deron Williams is weak minded and doesnt really have the heart of a winner. Just a quick look at him and you already see he is always a little chubby (remind anyone of a previous PG we had???) and wants to do what he wants to do. Blake, CP3 and Bledsoe all seem like they are willing to work hard and play hard doing whatever it takes including be criticized.

Deron Williams on the other hand, the guy just straight seems like he has a bad attitude a lot of the time. I dont think there could be a further a part comparison. Everyone says Blake is old school with his work ethic in the gym and CP3 is an old school style floor general so why not get a coach that matches that.

Uhhh, we have a pudgy PG right now. Another reason why i think CP3 was hurt all year.

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Joe CP3 was out of shape no doubt. That being said he's obviously mentally tougher than Deron. I think Sloan would do wonders for us.

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No, they brought in Chandler to play D for a coach who doesn't know the term. D'Antonu didn't bring him in, the Knicks did. They also got him some defensive coaches to help him do what he has always been reluctant to do....Instill defense in his system.

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Joe don't forget the "no defense" Suns were not only the best offenses in NBA history but top 15 defense every year. So the idea that teams CAN'T play defense in a Mike D'Antoni system is a wrong one. You think Vinny has a defensive game plan? Why did we finish 18th in defensive ranking? Mike may just improve the D a tiny bit but our offense will improve SO much.

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Yeah, mentally tougher but I don't think Sloan is a right fit. His old militant ways are old school...Old school in the way Parachute pants are. Bad old school in terms of relevance in today's standards.

Look at the Jazz right now, they don't need Sloan.

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Militant or not... his experience and knowledge of how to run an offense and defense are elite. If the Clippers players get their feelings hurt from a hardass coach, they need to give up on professional basketball.

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Ranked 15 in defense? Where can I verify that? Not saying it's not true, but I don't think that's right. What were the Knicks ranked pre-Chandler? That makes this argument a little more relevant to where D'Antoni is in his career.

All I know is that the Knicks brought in defensive minded coaches to work with Mike. I know that they went out to get the best defensive player to help D'Antoni's system.

By the way, VDN has had 66 games to work with this team. I don't think it's fair to make that judgement on him yet with all these new guys. On the other hand, D'Antoni has been known to be a coach that never teaches Defense, he counters that with trying to get the most shots in a game. CP3 doesn't work that way. he'll pass up an open three, a allyoop just to find a better shot late in the clock.

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Corbin is doing just as good with lesser talent. Just say'n.

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That's because the Jazz+Sloan were burned out on his coaching and the team was new, young and had no vets really. This Clippers team has a great mix of vets+youth and NEEDS that structure.

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Okay here you'll see a steady defensive improvement from the Suns in the Mike D'Antoni years until the final season. I'm putting the 4 peak seasons for the Suns under Mike, including the first season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2005.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2007.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2008.html

Look near the top for offense and defensive rating. The reason defensive RATING has become so important compared to points allowed etc is because it accounts for PACE. The Suns played at the fastest pace of this era. Of course they are going to give up a lot of points. Their defensive RATING though is very solid and got better every year for the 3 best seasons.

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Defensive numbers don't really mean that much. It's all about point differential. D'Antoni's 50+ win Suns teams averaged around +6 points per game. If you're gonna bring in D'Antoni, the offense better be dominant to make up for the "lack of defense."

In case you're curious, we averaged just above +2 per game this season. Not bad, but definitely not championship-caliber.

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By the way the spurs hurt their feelings by showing what they could be with a real coach than a stubborn fool...they would probably pay part of their salaries for a coach that would hurt thier egos if it meant not laying an egg on nation tv four straight games where you easily gave away two against probably the best team in the league.

Their was heartfelt respect for the clippers last night from the best at it, and you can bet a lot of people felt bad for them because of vinny.

I felt it in the commentating.

Is it not hard to see that all the trash talk about DJ and Blake are not diametric to the coach.

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Defensive rating means A LOT actually when ranking a team defensively. If you look at the leaders for example... it's clearly accurate. With Boston+Chicago being 1 and 2 for example.

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I just think this team awfully need a defensive system. Offensive would be fine and is easy find to an offense coordinator, however defensive is the hardest position to learn and to grab your spots.

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I'm going to qualify my statement above by saying: (1) I don't think Sloan is really a viable candidate. I don't see him coming out of retirement to work in L.A. for Donald Sterling: and (2) while I think both of those guys would be better than VDN, I have my doubts either of them would take us to the next level. I honestly don't know who the best candidate is out there. I'm hoping Olshey really takes his time and interviews a lot of people and doesn't just go for a "name."

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So 23rd from dead last in Opp PTS/G in 4 years is D'Antoni's personal best in that span.

Doesn't impress me at all. Like I said, D'Antoni's offense is about scoring more points than the opponent cause he has no offense.

Bottom line, they were one of the worst team in that span when it came to the opponents scoring. That other stuff doesn't impress me cause they were the worst in stopping teams from putting up points.

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Joe that's why opponent points per game is NOT a good measure of defensive compared to defensive rating. Pace is a HUGE factor in the equation. Opponents points per game is an outdated formula and isn't used by teams in the last 2 seasons or so really.

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If the Suns are running nonstop and imposing their tempo on other teams... you have to realize each team is going to get 20 extra shots... which means a higher points per game for BOTH teams.

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I wish the Clips would think outside the box. Like go see if John Stockton wants to coach.

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I cant believe that people are putting more stock into D'antoni than Sloan...Sloan had a 100 x better career than D'antoni..its not even close...i know he is 70 but what is with all this talk about his militant brand of coaching not working? hello!! we just lost to a team with a similiar type of coach ( Popovich )....

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you do know that we no longer have Baron Davis, right?

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Uhhh, we have a pudgy PG right now. Another reason why i think CP3 was hurt all year.

you do know that we no longer have Baron Davis, right?

What part didn't you get about my comment above?

I get it, it was an attempt at humor....Attempt.

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How so? If your team gives up the most points on a nightly basis, all the stats don't matter. All it means is that you have to have some of the best shooters to make his offense work.

Have you looked at Mike's Knicks stats? I bet they're the same or worse. You realize how bad of a system you have when you can't get the same caliber of players to make it work.

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Joe think of it this way. If the Suns impose their pace on a game (which they almost always did) BOTH teams are getting anywhere from 10-20 extra shots up a game. Chances are they hit at least nearly half of those. Meaning PPG is going to be very inflated and why DEFENSIVE RATING is more important. It factors in how many points PER 100 possessions a team allows.

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Dont think he would be the best fit but at least would be an upgrade over Vinny, but SVG is now available.

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VDN is going nowhere...we go to the postseason for the 3rd time and win a round for the 2nd time. That's big time around here. Like it or not, we'd get railed for firing him now.

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