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Post Subject: Official Clippers Draft 2012 Thread Post ID: 265183by realbull17 » May 21, 2012 - 11:57 AM PST
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Now that our season. Neil Olshey has 1 job left b4 he leaves LAC. Pick our 53rd pick. I saw this dude NEMANJA NEDOVIC on youtube. He's amazing and he'll be at or near our pick. He's from Serbia. We have found gold in the 2nd rd. of late. Who should we draft? Hey maybe buy a 1st rounder. Razz



                
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Post Subject: RE: Our 53rd Pick Post ID: 265184by TheDude » May 21, 2012 - 11:59 AM PST
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If he's ready to trade Bledsoe, we can get a top 8 pick for him. There are some standout wings in the top of this draft. It's something to consider.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Our 53rd Pick Post ID: 265193by cleepers » May 21, 2012 - 12:04 PM PST
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^ I wouldn't consider trading Bled at least until we have CP3 locked up. Although I believe there's a 90% chance he'll stay, we have to cover all contingencies.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Our 53rd Pick Post ID: 265203by Grillinnap » May 21, 2012 - 12:28 PM PST
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The Clippers are allergic to foreign-born players.

                
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Post ID: 265209by OptimusDimes » May 21, 2012 - 12:37 PM PST
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No did a lot to get bledsoe here and refused to trade him earlier, and part of that might of been because it was part of cp3's stipulation that he wanted to play with bledsoe.

It would be extremely premature to trade a commodity like bledsoe now. No one knows how good he can be but many see special things in him like myself so I'm a bit biased. I've always thought he needed more playing time since we had a young star and an aging pretending one.

I would really be shocked if bledsoe is traded anytime in the near future.

And all this talk about getting Howard by some does not take in accout the new cba is put in place to prevent exactly what miami did. You are not building around 3 max contracts under this one.

You never trade a proven commodity for an unproven. I don't care about this draft, we have probably 2 superstars on this team and some really nice pieces around them. We don't need major changes. A system and a coach will do wonders.

Why do you want to trade bledsoe when we haven't even see what cp3 and billups can help him become?

He Cp, and Blake have some great chemistry and haven't even play together long.

You should look at the fact that he makes everyone better on D and now O more consistantly.

Why wouold you do such a trade now if you were the GM?

This is an honest question.

                
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Post ID: 265221by Shinob » May 21, 2012 - 12:49 PM PST
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i wouldn't trade bledsoe... bledsoe > mo and foye. sucks mo isn't opting out. bledsoe just needs to work on controlling the ball on his fastbreaks. it'll come tho.

                
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Post ID: 265228by clippermitch » May 21, 2012 - 12:52 PM PST
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Call me crazy but if CP3 doesn't sign an extension this summer, I would trade him!

We can't risk a Carmelo, Deron, Dwight situation and have him walk.

I do believe CP3 will resign long term though so this is just the scenario I would do if he doesn't.

I wouldn't trade Bledsoe unless we get a legit SG back like Harden or Eric Gordon.

                
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Post ID: 265231by realbull17 » May 21, 2012 - 12:54 PM PST
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Forgot about trading anybody in the draft. Neil wont do that. Only picking. Maybe buy a 1st rd. Nothing else. Eric isnt going anywhere.

                
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Post ID: 265250by TheDude » May 21, 2012 - 01:10 PM PST
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Post ID: 265260by TheDude » May 21, 2012 - 01:15 PM PST
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Because we're 3 or 4 deep at PG (CP3, Billups, Mo, Bledsoe), zero deep at SG and our only SF is old and injury prone.

I wouldn't trade Bledsoe for nothing but I don't care about contingency plans if CP3 leaves. There is no contingency plan, we're screwed if he leaves no matter what. We have to assume Blake and CP3 resign, in that case we need more evenly distributed talent on this roster.

I love Bledsoe, he's very valuable but if we could get equal talent at a wing spot it would be more useful for us because at PG the available minutes are slim.

                
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Post ID: 265261by ClipsGForce » May 21, 2012 - 01:19 PM PST
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Why do you want to trade Eric Bledsoe for a top 8 pick? To me that sound really dumb. Do you watch Eric Bledsoe in playoff series, he already a proven quantity than those rookies prospect.

                
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Post ID: 265268by OptimusDimes » May 21, 2012 - 01:29 PM PST
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Who would you consider equal talent at the wing?

Even the fact that I am hearing his name and Dwade is confirming what I've been seeing, (not that I'm saying he looks like wade to me mind you) and you look at the defensive ratings and you hear things like top 5 defensive player potential, we have yet to see him get consistent pt. The numbers are scary without another great defensive player around him.

Which wing would you consider on that level worthy to bring in for that type player?

                
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Post ID: 265283by botev1921 » May 21, 2012 - 01:55 PM PST
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I think we should move up a bit and even offer Bledsoe. I would also trade Mo Williams for something and a pick. I like several guys in the top 10 - guys like K-G and Barnes could be really helpful and even get the starting SF job immediately. Imagine us getting a starting caliber player and move Caron to the bench.

                
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Post ID: 265289by OptimusDimes » May 21, 2012 - 02:06 PM PST
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The key word here is "imagine"

                
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Post ID: 265325by Darkserpent » May 21, 2012 - 03:04 PM PST
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CP3 and BG32 are staying.....Nick YOung can be the #2 off the bench....we just need a GOOD coach and we'll be fine......i know CP3 said that he doesnt believe in the "having to go thru hurdles thing" , that he just wants to win...but he is wrong....most teams that have won a Championship in NBA history ( except a few like the '08 Celtics ) had to lose to their nemesis before they eventually broke thru and won...the Clips will be this years THunder next year or the next...they just need to stay patient and rebuild..for now this seems logical.

CP3 BILLUPS BUTLER GRIFFIN JORDAN

BLEDSOE YOUNG need a back up SF MARTIN EVANS

and a GOOD COACH...

                
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Post ID: 265331by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » May 21, 2012 - 03:11 PM PST
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no to trading bledsoe. we should try to trade up from 53 to something in the 35-40 range. there should be some decent prospects in the 2nd rd. i still like reeves nelson, in large part because im a ucla fan, but also because he could be a steal in the 2nd rd. people forget he is a rugged, tough, athletic and skilled 6'9 pf. people just look at his reputation, that is why we could get him. he would bring energy, skill to the backup pf position in case we cant resign kmart.

                
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Post ID: 265334by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » May 21, 2012 - 03:18 PM PST
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by the way, we wont get equal value by trading bledsoe. people forget he is a very talented player who is under his rookie contract. a huge bargain, especially under the new cba. the only way u can get a more talented player is by cracking the top 5 in the draft. in this draft, ebled would have been a top 3 pick. guaranteed. there is a reason olshey didnt part with ebled. he knows talent.

                
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Post Subject: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266891by Clippersfan86 » May 24, 2012 - 04:43 PM PST
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On draft night.. I'm starting to think Olshey should trade one of our pieces to get into draft. Either Young, Mo,one of our young guys or a future pick. I'm looking at the mock draft board..

http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

I see a lot of talented big SG's and SF's in the 15-30 range. Somebody like Terrance Ross, Terrance Jones, Royce White, Quincy Miller. I remember not long ago Quincy Miller was in the lottery projections.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266900by Mistwell » May 24, 2012 - 04:59 PM PST
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I don't care about the draft, and I wouldn't trade much to get into it. I think it's WAY overhyped. And I think it's old Clippers-fan thinking to think that trading what we have gets you something better in this draft. We have ONE year to convince Griffin and Paul to stay - and you're not going to convince them by burning what few assets we have (that must be used to surround them with people who can win now) with a rookie who won't be much of a contributor for years.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266907by lacsmoove » May 24, 2012 - 05:11 PM PST
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I have no interest in this draft and absolutely no interest in trading Bledsoe. Who's a better backup PG in the league? And he's cheap. Definitely keep him around unless some crazy trade comes along like him for durant, harden DWade,Lebron etc. And that ain't gonna happen. Hell I'm not even sure if I would feel good about D Howard right about now. His back injury i think is serious

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266913by clippermitch » May 24, 2012 - 05:22 PM PST
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Trading Bledsoe would be a mistake! He's a keeper and he will be our future PG. Keep in mind he's only 22 and will only improve under CP3's wings.

His playmaking skills are already better than last year and his defense is superb.

Only way I trade Bledsoe is if we traded him for a legit SG still under their rookie contract. Only player I can think of is James Harden and maybe Klay Thompson.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266915by Clippersfan86 » May 24, 2012 - 05:25 PM PST
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Not Bledsoe guys. I meant Thompkins or Leslie.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266916by Clippersfan86 » May 24, 2012 - 05:26 PM PST
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Oooo.... Bledsoe for Klay Thompson is interesting to me. Both have superb upside.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266917by lacsmoove » May 24, 2012 - 05:26 PM PST
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Thompson is real good, But I'm scared EBled is going to be a top tier PG in the next couple of years. He was just too good in the playoffs. He's a rare player

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266920by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » May 24, 2012 - 05:33 PM PST
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^ intriguing, but idk if they would give up thompson for ebled. this is because they have curry and his fragile ankles. they decided that he would be their point guard of the future and thus traded monta ellis. so naturally thompson is their 2 guard.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266921by Clippersfan86 » May 24, 2012 - 05:39 PM PST
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True... they would probably decline that trade for those reasons.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266933by clippermitch » May 24, 2012 - 06:20 PM PST
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Honestly, I'd decline trading Bledsoe for Thompson too. Klay is nice but Bledsoe provides us the ability to guard opposing PGs. He did an excellent job on Conley and Parker. And if I'm not mistaken, he even guarded Mayo and Ginobili.

If VDN would have started Bledsoe over Foye, I don't think we would have been swept.

Our biggest acquisition this summer should be a new COACH! Then, the rest of the team has to just improve starting with Blake. He needs to shoot better from the FT line as well as improve his post game. I can't stand watching him hold the ball in the post and last second kick it out for a contested shot at the buzzer.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266943by SamMays » May 24, 2012 - 07:26 PM PST
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I love Bledsoe, but Klay Thompson would be too good to pass up... Thompson would be our SG for the next ten years... He's over 40% from three and very good from two in his rookie year...

As good as he is, Bledsoe doesn't really have a path here for a starting position... If we made that trade, we could move Mo for a backup PG and a Center like Hawes to battle DJ... Our off-season would be done. We could resign Foye as a backup and let Young go, or vice versa.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266952by Clippersfan86 » May 24, 2012 - 08:22 PM PST
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I agree with Sam that Thompson+Hawes and we are a real contender. Would GS move Curry to SG and play Bledsoe at the 1?

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266973by david » May 24, 2012 - 10:52 PM PST
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No way- I wouldn't trade Bledsoe for Thompson- who's going to be our backup point guard and defensive stopper guy? We have enough shooters- we need more guys who can shoot/make plays AND play defense. Bledsoe is a guy who can make plays and play very good D. Those guys are RARE. You look at the Spurs- they have valuable players who can defend and shoot- e.g. Danny Green and the rookie Kahwi Leonard. We need to "upgrade" at least one of our other guards/wing player- for instance Mo- to someone who can provide similar offense but much better defense.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 266994by SamMays » May 24, 2012 - 11:54 PM PST
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^^^ You talk about Kahwi Leonard and Danny Green as being the kind of player we need.... Klay Thompson is so much like those two players it's amazing. And he's as good or better than both of them....

I love Bledsoe, but I wouldn't hesitate trading him for Thompson.

                
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Post Subject: RE: I'm starting to think we should trade into the draft Post ID: 267009by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » May 25, 2012 - 01:09 AM PST
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klay thompson is great on offense, but his D is terrible. bledsoe will probably never be the shooter klay is but klay will never be the athletic freak and tenacious defender bledsoe is. add to the fact ebled is already an offensive threat and a klay for ebled trade is not a good trade for us. now if we can trade mo for a solid big man like spencer hawes then id be happy. but no way u trade bledsoe. mo is not a backup pg. hes a sg in a point guards body.

                
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Post ID: 267010by realbull17 » May 25, 2012 - 01:34 AM PST
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In order to make trades/deals. You need a GM. which we dont have at the moment. i guess Andy Roeser will be making decisions for the draft. After that idk. You guy think Olshey will return. we dont know that. other teams want Neil bad especially portland. once we get a GM then plus CP3 input. our team will be amazing. Smile

                
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Post ID: 267013by Shinob » May 25, 2012 - 02:36 AM PST
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you guys actually think GS would give up klay thompson? they traded monta elis to make space for klay thompson...no way they're making that trade you guys are talking about. just kill that pipe dream already.

                
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Post ID: 267019by marten81 » May 25, 2012 - 07:28 AM PST
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just draft what we can get i guess, try to look for real talent.. if possible on the 3, but if not just take what u can get. That serbian dude looks good, but hell be yet an other PG >.>.

                
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Post ID: 267020by Clipswhit » May 25, 2012 - 07:47 AM PST
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Amnesty Gomes, trade Mo for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and the Bucks 1st rounder. Sign KG, bring back Evans, Kmart, Young, Billups.

11 Deep team: DJ/KG/Kmart/Griffin Griffin/KG/Evans/Mbah a Moute Butler/Mbah a Moute/KG/Young Billups/Young/Butler/Mbah a Moute/Bledsoe Paul/Bledsoe/Billups

Such a versatile team. Defensive unit: KG/Evans/Mbah a Moute/Bledsoe/Paul or DJ/KG/Mbah a Moute/Bledsoe/Paul or DJ/KG/Mbah a Moute/Billups/Bledsoe

you catch the drift. We add a hall of fame type defender and player in general, and terribly underrated defender. Simply put, we skyrocket into one of the best defensive teams in the league.

                
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Post ID: 267021by seanrooks » May 25, 2012 - 08:43 AM PST
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Where is everyone getting this idea about trading Mo for LRMaM and a first round pick? Why would the Bucks want to pay 8.5 million for an undersized guard to back up the two other undersized guards they already have(Monta and Jennings)? I really don't know why they would have any interest in him, or why they would give up a quality player and a draft pick for him. Is there any basis to these rumors?

                
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Post ID: 267027by realbull17 » May 25, 2012 - 09:46 AM PST
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True dat! MIL wouldnt do that.

                
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Post ID: 267028by apostle » May 25, 2012 - 10:14 AM PST
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Simple really Draft Hollis Thompson or Kostas Papanikolaou

Hollis Thompson is a 6'8 SF out of Georgetown that is the best shooter at the 3 spot in this draft(and he's from L A)

Kostas Papanikolaou is a 6'7 SF(Greece,Olympiakos) that can also shoot the 3 well and lock people down at the 3 spot as he did with A Kirilenko in the Euroleague final where he was also named MVP)

If not Kris Joseph(Syracuse) William Buford(Ohio State) or Darius Miller (kentucky

                
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Post ID: 267029by apostle » May 25, 2012 - 10:18 AM PST
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All you need to do then is #1 Get rid off Vinny Del Negro #2 Get rid off Mo Williams contract #3 Amnesty Ryan Gomes Re-sign Billups,Nick Young and Evans

                
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Post ID: 267340by OptimusDimes » May 26, 2012 - 03:04 PM PST
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I like what I have read about this player, and it seems he could fit as a role player.

Ironically our position of need is pg. We have no one guaranteed to be on the roster other than Cp3 and EB3(12).

I like Tyshawn Taylor, but don't know much about many of the college players in this draft. I hate drafting combo guards, but this guy's description sounds a bit like EB except a better shooter. He even looks like he is related to him. He has good pg size, but seems to be better suited as a scoring pg.

I would let him and Leslie battle it out for the 12th man spot.

If anyone has any info about the pgs that might slip into the 2nd round I would appreciate your info.

                
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Post ID: 267380by Clipperfn4lf » May 26, 2012 - 04:58 PM PST
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No player from this draft is going to play a single minute the whole season

                
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Post ID: 267383by ohMEohMy! » May 26, 2012 - 05:05 PM PST
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Woo WOOOO!!!

I am all aboard the Kostas Papanikolaou train as well! First off, I don't follow EuroLeague ball at all, but hopefully his good year hasn't risen his draft stock beyond our reach. I'd consider it a great steal to get someone so polished w/ the 53rd pick. Secondly, the potential for cool/funny nicknames is high. Thirdly, someone please tell me the Spurs aren't drafting ahead of us! lol

"An average athlete with an excellent feel for the game, good fundamentals, and terrific maturity, Papanikolaou's profile may not jump off the page on first glance, but his size, defensive prowess, experience and productivity at the highest levels of European basketball make him one of the most intriguing 1990-born international prospects automatically eligible for the 2012 NBA Draft."

"Defensively, Papanikolaou is rock solid at the Euroleague level. By no means is he a lock down defender, but he competes every possession, always boxes out, makes some plays in the passing lanes thanks to his anticipation, and does a terrific job pestering his man off the ball."

source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kostas-Papanikolaou-6147/

                
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Post ID: 267384by ohMEohMy! » May 26, 2012 - 05:12 PM PST
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What's it going to "Kostas" to move up to an earlier 2nd round pick? Cash considerations? Sterling having an Ebenezer Scrooge moment the night before the draft? Let's make it happen!

                
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Post ID: 267385by MrB » May 26, 2012 - 05:12 PM PST
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First off, Olshey amnesty Gomes already! You can only amnesty players that were on the roster when the new CBA was signed. He's the main guy eating up cap that isn't wanted anymore. Next, sign Young, Evans, and maybe one more of our FA's like Billups or Foye if only they come cheap. After that trade Mo if you can work a deal for an outside shooting big or solid sg. Then see who you can add via Free agency. Lastly throw the kitchen sink and everything in it at Paul and Griffin. Paul most likely won't resign until his deal is up because he can sign for more years after that which gives him more money. Then Neil your done. Call it an offseason and get on the road to GMOTY!

                
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Post ID: 267386by OptimusDimes » May 26, 2012 - 05:13 PM PST
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I hope not, but at the same time there are only so many ways to improve your team. NO has been doing pretty good at drafting so to ignore a cheap way to fill a hole in your roster, even if it means developing a player, is always smart.

What are our needs.

3rd pg(unless we keep mo all season IF he opts in) A true SG Backup 3 Stretch 4 Backup C

So it wouldn't be smart to just think we should overlook the draft completely.

                
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Post ID: 267387by OptimusDimes » May 26, 2012 - 05:16 PM PST
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I would say cash for a mid to late second, maybe trade a future 2nd for one now with some cash for early 2nd rounder.

                
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Post ID: 267394by cleepers » May 26, 2012 - 06:01 PM PST
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Haha! Clever!

                
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Post ID: 267422by LAbreakers » May 26, 2012 - 09:49 PM PST
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as with the FAs, of whom I liked the combo guards, Ramon Sessions and Delonte West, I like Tyshaun Taylor in the draft....

and whether its at the end of the first (draftexpress) or the end of the second (nbadraftnet), think he's the best value for us....

also think we need to take our medicine as we traded our picks for the playoffs, of which we made, and gratefully so....

and no way do I trade Bledsoe, at least not after playing playoff caliber defense, a commodity that is very valuable, and hopefully one that Tyshaun shares of....

                
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I can't see how anybody who watched Eric Bledsoe play in these playoffs could even think about trading him. He's far too valuable with far too much upside.

I could see us trading Mo for a mid to late first round draft pick, In which case I wouldn't mind us going after a Terrence Ross or Terrence Jones to help out on the wing.

but before we start worrying about the draft, we need to get our coaching situation all figured out. That way we could better speculate which players would potentially fit best in our system (something we don't currently have).

                
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