Is keeping bledsoe really worth losing cp3?

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Cruberto
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I Read a lot of ideas on who people wanna trade for or who they want to sign. Yet it seems most people don't have a grasp on the salary cap or where our team stands with it. Our team has no room. we are already over the cap. We only can get cap space by trading mo and either trading gomes or amnestying him. As much as that seems easy. With the new cba there is not a big market for either player. No team is going to go into the tax threshold now.Most teams do not want a shoot first point guard with a bad attitude or a F who is very inconsistent. Nobody wants mo at 8.5 mil. If people would pay him that he would opt out and go get that. To trade mo in most case we are going to have to add bledsoe or a first round pick. Like we did with Baron. At this point in the salary cap we cannot even sign the players we had last year and be under the tax threshold. Young/billups/kmart are all going to ask at least 4 mil. Evans could be have for the vet minimum. So we are in some serious trouble of losing cp3 if we can't find ways to get somebody to take mo/gomes. As much as most people don't want to hear it adding bledsoe might be the only way it can happen. I like bledsoe a lot. But he is never going to be as good as cp3. I just ask because so many people are dead set on keeping him. Do you think that if we don't at least go to thee wcf finals and take it at least 6 games this year that cp3 will stay. He won't. I personally do not want to go back to the maurice taylor/eric p/candi man days. I certainly don't wanna see cp3 walk away like brand did. So whether anyone wants to hear it trading bledsoe is the key to getting the cap space/players we need to compete for a championship and keep cp3.

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No thanks on trading Bledsoe Mr. June 8th 2012

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Lol because i join a board on june 8th i am new to being a clippers fan. Classic. Since your making suggestions im a new clippers fan. Why don't you send me a check for the 30 old clippers jersey's in my spare room

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Thats unlikely to happen. CP3 is a loyal guy. as long as CP3 sees LAC improving the team like signing BG32 and other players. Getting rid of Mo and you dont need to include EB in it. Mo and a 1st rounder is enuff. EB is our future with CP3. i think Trey Thompkins is also our future. dont get ahead of yourself. wait til the end of next season to panic. lol.

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Where's he going to go? Who else is close to championship quality with around $18,000,000 in cap to sign him without gutting their roster?

If the F.O. show good faith in improving the team, he'll stick around. Starting fresh yet again at 28 years old pushes those hopes for a ring another couple of years into the future. I can handle losing Bled if we get some fantastic offer, but the biggest factor in CP3's decision will be Blake's development this summer.

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Lol im actually not panicing or saying we have to move bledsoe. I am just annoyed with the fact that people say trade bledsoe under no circumstances. Now bledsoe will be traded within the next two years. We aren't going to be able to keep him he will get a big salary once restricted that we can't match. If cp3 signs an extension we will have almost $54m locked into 4 players (butler,dj,blake,cp3). So they aren't gonna pay a backup pg sometimes sg more then 3 or 4 million. My whole point was people don't understand the salary cap and that keeping and playing billups will get us closer to a championship then whether or not we trade bledsoe.

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I don't see the correlation between trading or not trading Bledsoe as an impact on whether CP3 signs long-term with the Clippers. If I'm not mistaken, Bledsoe is one of the guys he enjoys playing with. He's also, in my opinion, the best athlete pound for pound on the Clippers...yes a team that includes Blake Griffin.

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The reason these things go together. Is there a good chance to dump mo williams or gomes on somebody we are going to have to include bledsoe possibly. being a good athlete does ot always make you an all star.

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He maybe the best athlete or the fastest guy on the team, but that does not always equal the best player...big difference. We'll see how he develops this year.

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tense2 wrote:
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I don't see the correlation between trading or not trading Bledsoe as an impact on whether CP3 signs long-term with the Clippers. If I'm not mistaken, Bledsoe is one of the guys he enjoys playing with. He's also, in my opinion, the best athlete pound for pound on the Clippers...yes a team that includes Blake Griffin.

He maybe the best athlete or the fastest guy on the team, but that does not always equal the best player...big difference. We'll see how he develops this year.

Really would like to see him moved to no or pd for 10/11 pick lamb or meyers at that spot would fill a bigger need for us. Either a backup centre over 7'0 or a sweet shooting sg with size and defense

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I mean IF cp3 leave who better to take his spot than

Erik bledsoe

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The point Is not to lose him. Plus even at his older age id start billups over bledsoe. Look at the last 10 years in nba champions pg's. Other then chalmers ( LBJ did more of a point forward here) or rondo the pg's are a list of 27 years old or older guys. Fisher,Billups, Kidd, Parker. If you go back farther then that is all older pg's. In most cases you don't win championships with young kids running the show.

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agreed, this is a tricky one, and ironically enough was looking over to see where Mo could go, and.... really didn't like what I saw potentially coming back to us.... also don't think it's necessary to include a draft pick, and would actually prefer one coming back to us, as Mo can shoot, has an expiring contract and is better than half the pg's in the league or at least thereabouts.... he has value, and wouldn't be surprised if we hold onto him until the trade deadline.... after injuries have forced some other team's hands....

the best i could come up for now w/was something to Phoenix and getting back Robin Lopez and perhaps Hakim Warrick.... uninspired, albeit we need another big....

the other thought, which I believe someone else has also mentioned, was the possibility of offering Mo for Biedrins and their #7, and.... don't think I'd do that if I was GState.... would also look at ways to include Gomes and Dorrell Wright if possible, as they are said to be looking to move him....

and don't know if it's possible to move Butler this offseason, but am guessing next season is almost a certainty for him, especially if we can get his replacement on the roster by then.... ??

and as stated before am a big fan of Bledsoe's playoff D, and.... think I'm a bigger fan of possibly getting back the sixth overall for him, or more specifically, am pretty much interested in securing Terrence Ross, of which the eleventh pick is obviously less certain than the sixth.... and with all due respect, no thank you to Mr. Lamb.....

the other wild card, or wildest decision if it were to be made, would be if Olshey was willing to offer both his picks for EBled and DJ.... would definitely give me pause, and would test how sold I was on Meyers Leonard.... who I think would be there as long as we pick in front of Milwaukee....

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^ the problem with mo is not that he can shoot it is how much he is making. The bottom line with that is if he was worth that he would opt out and pick his destination. He knows he won't get more then 4 on the market due to bad decision makin/attitude. I am not of fan of ross. Being a usc fan i watched him alot at wa. I' would gladly take lamb or waiters over him. As far as holding on to him the clippers can't. They just have to much money tied up. We cant spend another season just resigning our own fa's. Especially since it looks like the cips are ready to remarry odom. The clips don't wnt mo here and he doesn't wanna be here as a backup. He is just trying to get paid. I think before he opts in he is going to make sure clips have a trade for him. i think there is a better chance of him opting out then us still having him day one of the season. Which is actually the best case scenario for us.

Actually a trade i'd love to see is pd's #11 and mathews for bled/gomes/future pick. Not likely but i the salarie match up. Could add leonard/mathews/cap space for bledsoe and hey im allowed to dream sometimes

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Mo goes,,Gomes goes,,CP3 and young Eric stick,,unless our FO is smoking cr a ** this is how it should go but then again,, only if we want to win which traditionally hasn't been the overall priority.

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Thats the point in the matter i was making. The ultimate overall goal is keeping cp3. But iuf you have to trade bledsoe to get rid of mo or gomes you have to do it. Clips can win a title with cp3 even if bledsoe is not on this team. But he can't win one if we are strapped with mo/gomes contracts. Because even if you have to move bledsoe you have billups/young you can bring back with that cap space. Then sign someone like stevensen to be fourth guard. Better then being stuck with mo. He is going to be a lot harder to move then most of our fans think.

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We can decide what to do with Bledsole in 2013/14 when CP3 SIGNS his extension. Mo and Gomes will be gone this year. Relax, breath deep are good and beneficial exercises to help with this. wink

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Next season is Bledsoe's 3rd year. I wouldn't move him until I see where he's at in year 3. I'm sure he will be better than last year, but by how much? I have no doubt that Bledsoe, on a team that needs a PG, would totally blossom into an all-star and even possibly in the conversation for best PG in the league. Lakers would actually be a good spot for him, but I'm not sure what the Clippers would get back from their roster that's worth dealing. I'm all about seeing both the Lakers and Clippers get the right pieces. I thought that CP3 would be better off on the Clippers pairing up with Blake instead of being in a closer platoon with Kobe on the Lakers. Maybe we should help the Lakers out by giving them Bledsoe for future considerations since Clipper board members don't want him around anyway.

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Lol im not upset haha. Just bored and what else is there to do but argue until the wife gets home!

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Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device.

Ex. "The bag weighed a ton."

"He got punched a million times in that fight."

"Eric Bledsoe will cost the Clippers CP3 if he is not traded."

I got you Cruberto. Playin the long con.

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Cruberto wrote:
tense2 wrote:
We can decide what to o with Bledsole in 2013/14 when CP3 SIGNS his extension. Mo and Gomes will be gone this year. Relax, breath deep are good and beneficial exercises to help with this. wink

Lol im not upset haha. Just bored and what else is there to do but argue until the wife gets home!

Drink something, that might help.

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tense2 wrote:
Cruberto wrote:
tense2 wrote:
We can decide what to o with Bledsole in 2013/14 when CP3 SIGNS his extension. Mo and Gomes will be gone this year. Relax, breath deep are good and beneficial exercises to help with this. wink

Lol im not upset haha. Just bored and what else is there to do but argue until the wife gets home!

Drink something, that might help.

Naw i choose not to destroy my brain with alcohol/drugs. Did all that when i was kid. I choose to deal with reality not avoid it.

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The only time you deal with a division rival is when you are positive you are getting the better end of the trade. Lakers have absolutely nothing we need outside of an all-star center... and even he comes with doubts, baggage and a contract we can't afford.

I'd give them Mo, but for what? The only worthwhile pieces they have are vastly overpaid... welcome to the new CBA lakers... where history and deep pockets don't mean sh*t!

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Don't get me wrong id prefer to keep him just don't think we can move mo and keep him. I'd prefer our backocurt be cp3/billups/young/bledsoe

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8 mil trade exception and a second rounder would work for me. would really like the clippers to get jae crowder out of marquette. you could team him with odom at the 3/4 and we'd be set there. just don't think he will make it to 53

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^ As far as i'm concerned, a trade exception is no different than Mo just opting out... cap space and nothing more. There has to be some team (at least post-draft) that will find themselves a little overloaded at a certain spot (maybe the 2) after taking the best available talent, and thin at the PG spot.

Add to that the fact that we'd be hooking up a team that we play 4 games against with their biggest need, and I'd say no thanks. Mo should be able to net us one or two solid contributors off the bench, whether it's because he's expiring (for a rebuilding team) or to fill a temporary need for a team like Chicago who just need a stop-gap option until their #1 guy returns or develops.

F*ck the lakers. They're reaping what they've sewn for years by trying to outspend teams... they deserve a few years of being hamstrung by taking the lazy route... choosing to r*** the talent farm instead of developing from within.

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Cruberto wrote:
tense2 wrote:
We can decide what to o with Bledsole in 2013/14 when CP3 SIGNS his extension. Mo and Gomes will be gone this year. Relax, breath deep are good and beneficial exercises to help with this. wink

Lol im not upset haha. Just bored and what else is there to do but argue until the wife gets home!

I could give you the list of what to do when the wife isn't home but I would be banned from this site after David saw it.

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What on earth are u talking about? Mo Williams is still a good deal for 8 million. What point guard on the market has better value than Deron or Dragic, or Lin? Mo is better than he looked but he had to play out of position and he is still relatively young. It's better to keep him for another year than just to dump him. He has trade value, and anybody who thinks he doesn't is ridiculous.

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Mo is not Baron... First, Baron was seen as damaged goods by virtually every GM in the league. He was widely considered a cancer, if not for his attitude, certain by his contract vs. productivity... Add to that, he had three more years at the time we traded him... That made him especially difficult to move. A pick had to be added...

Mo only has one year on his contact, which is 5 million dollars a year cheaper than Barons. He's also much less injury prone and much more professional. Moving him for value should be entirely possible... We will just have to take equal salary back... The question is, what's his value... Probably a center or SG from some other team that wants to move one and take a starting or top backup PG in return.

As far as the premise that keeping Bledsoe might mean losing CP3, I don't think Chris Paul is that insecure. He's one of the five best PG's in the game, perhaps even the best. He knows that... Bledsoe is the perfect backup to keep.

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We are not trying to dump Mo... He has value... He's just in the wrong spot on this team. We have too many PG's... We just need to move him to a team that has too many Centers, or SG's, so that we can trade for need. One team's dump can be another team's gold.

The idea that Mo is a player to be "dumped" is just not accurate... He's not Ryan Gomes. He's a very good player.

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what's our salary cap at? I'm just curious I never took the time to figure that one out.

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Cruberto wrote:
tense2 wrote:
We can decide what to do with Bledsole in 2013/14 when CP3 SIGNS his extension. Mo and Gomes will be gone this year. Relax, breath deep are good and beneficial exercises to help with this. wink

Don't get me wrong id prefer to keep him just don't think we can move mo and keep him. I'd prefer our backocurt be cp3/billups/young/bledsoe

i kind of knew cruberto would be the one starting a thread like this. we could move mo and gomes and keep bledsoe while improving this team. they are attractive trade assets since they are expiring contracts. like several posters have said, ebled is insurance in case cp3 were to leave. i dont trust anyone in his position til he makes it official on the dotted line. when that happens, u could think about trading ebled.ive said it before and ill say it again, if cp3 prolongs the whole situation and we are in the position the magic are, we trade him. period. this thread is funny. what exactly is the correlation with trading ebled to see if cp3 stays? none. i dont think trading ebled for a top 10 pick ( an unproven player) is something cp3 is vehemently asking for. if its not a top3 pick then its stupid to trade ebled. i think ebled can be as good as james harden. his shot is coming along, and he is a freakish athlete gradually learning to play the point the right way. not to mention hes our best defender. those types of players dont grow on trees. i feel those who want to trade ebled are putting too much stock on players in this year's draft. outside of beal, robinson and davis, most of the prospects are question marks and the obvious, they are unproven. we already know what ebled brings to the table, and he will keep getting better behind cp3. plus hes a talented player playing under a low priced contract. hes a huge bargain. cant get rid of him for unproven commodities.

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love it cleepers. sometimes i wonder when peeps on here post s*** about trading talented players to the flaker if those peeps are not closet flaker fans. why the f*** would we help those mofos. what "amazing" assets do they have to give to us. barnes? methhead? steve blake? mcroberts? i can keep going on showing how stupid would it be to help our arch enemy out, especially if the most we can get is a f****n trade exception. smh.

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^ Bledsoe is not a yet proven commidity. He had one good 1/4 or a season and a good playoff series. If you believe cp3 gets traded that makes no sense. He's not eligible for a full extension until the end of the year. This year he only available for a 3/yr for less money. You are over stating the value of mo/gomes as well. I have said many times i want bledsoe to stay. But to say He is untradeable for anything then top 3 pick is crazy. That was my point to the whole thread. Trading mo to the lakers doesn't make you a "closet lakers fan". In a world with this cba a trade exemption with a pick is the best thing around. A smart man does business with everyone those they like and don't like. I hate the fakers as much as anyone Trading him to the lakers gets you the best asset 8.5mil dollars to get the players they want/need. Do you think if anyone wanted mo at his money that he wouldn't of been gone last year at the deadline. Or better yet he just wouldn't opt out and goo where he wanted. Btw yes freakish athletes like bledsoe do come around often. The problem just is being a good athlete doesn't make you a successful nba player. But i am glad i got you so mad all you do is hurl insults with no facts/knowledge behind them. But you hear what opinions are like. If you would listen to the people who cover the clippers you would realize that mo is not big of a trade asset and the only asset we have is bledsoe. Bledsoe is 2 to 4 yrs away from being an all star pg or a championship even backup. He has missed time at uk and both pro years due to injury the way he plays. But ill just agree to disagree with you. When nobody wants mo and we are stuck with him until the deadline, miss out on signing any of the fa's we need that are available. Very Happy

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59.5 mil

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Isn't mo already on record saying he doesn't want to be traded to a rebuilding situation thats y I believe we are going to be stuck with him. Teams are not going to give you young quality players for mo, the only teams I could see using mo is atlanta, but what would you get back marvin williams? The odom for mo doesn't make sense imagine if the mavs get deron williams, then mo is going to go through the same cp3 situation.

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this was been my point all along getting rid of mo is going to be tough.

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Mo has a choice to make. Either he takes $8.5million this offseason and has absolutely no say where he plays next year, or he chooses to opt out and make his own destiny... say, a 4-year deal as a starter, wherever he wants, but for MUCH less than $8.5mil per year.

He doesn't get to have it both ways.

I think the F.O. are being extremely generous by even consulting with him. Bottom line... Roeser, Sacks and Vinny are paid to make the Clippers better, not to get a warm fuzzy feeling from putting Mo Williams in a "comfortable" situation.

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Agreed. the best thing for everyone involved is if he just opts out. The gomes can be amnestied. we have our cap room and can et the players we need through fa and resigning our own players. him opting out is the differnce between us getting 3 outside fa's we need and only 1 and having too bring back players we shouldn't

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Your premise is flawed in that we won't get anything of value without adding eb. It's just an opinion and worse players have been traded for value.

Gomes will get something, just not much. Couple it with Mo and we would be eliminating salary thus able to add more players. We won't be force to keep 2 players because we won't trade bledsoe.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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him opting out is the differnce between us getting 3 outside fa's we need and only 1 and having too bring back players we shouldn't

Your premise is flawed in that we won't get anything of value without adding eb. It's just an opinion and worse players have been traded for value.

Gomes will get something, just not much. Couple it with Mo and we would be eliminating salary thus able to add more players. We won't be force to keep 2 players because we won't trade bledsoe.

I realize that we traded cook for young he had about as much value as gomes. Just 90% of those deals happen at the deadline. I would prefer We not have to wait until the trade deadline to fill the spots we need. For me that is worth bledsoe. He is a decent player but in my opinion he will be a decent pg in the league. But i don't see him as this future Top 3 pg that some people here do. plus these players traded before were in a much more lenient CBA. 90% of what is said on here by anyone is opinion or in the media is opinion. That is nothing new. We all want to win we just have different ideas on how it will happen.

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Bledsoe is a great trade chip and his stock is high after the playoffs. I love him in the 2nd unit, but I think that's where he belongs, and where he'll belong most of his career. He's got so many great tools, but by far his worst attribute is his decision-making (which happens to be the most important attribute for a point guard).

I think we can get a lot of value back for Bledsoe + someone, and if we can get an established player we really need to think about it. But Bledsoe for a draft pick does not help us retain CP3, and that is the purpose of everything that we do this season.

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He told Olshey not to include Bled in the deal for him supposedly

Clueless thread

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divinebeast wrote:
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I don't see the correlation between trading or not trading Bledsoe as an impact on whether CP3 signs long-term with the Clippers. If I'm not mistaken, Bledsoe is one of the guys he enjoys playing with. He's also, in my opinion, the best athlete pound for pound on the Clippers...yes a team that includes Blake Griffin.

He told Olshey not to include Bled in the deal for him supposedly

Clueless thread

That is a rumor that has never been substantiated. So stating that makes your post just as clueless

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Cruberto wrote:
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I don't see the correlation between trading or not trading Bledsoe as an impact on whether CP3 signs long-term with the Clippers. If I'm not mistaken, Bledsoe is one of the guys he enjoys playing with. He's also, in my opinion, the best athlete pound for pound on the Clippers...yes a team that includes Blake Griffin.

He told Olshey not to include Bled in the deal for him supposedly

Clueless thread

That is a rumor that has never been substantiated. So stating that makes your post just as clueless

Dude CP and Bled played in lockout games together

This thread is dumb

Chris Paul isn't going to leave because Bled isn't traded that's just Clipper paranoia taken to the next level

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I didn't saye he'd leave because he wouldn't be traded. I said Making him "untradeable" could cost us to lose cp3. The point of the whole thing was being unwilling to trade bledsoe (like most people here state they are) could actually cost us being able to move two players. Which in turn coud cause us to lnot improve our lineup due to salary cap restraints. Which could cause us to lose cp3. Read the initial post. I actually stated an actual scenario that could happen. It is more realistic then half the stuff posted here. I actually have spent time studying the salary cap rules and what position our team is in. You stated "dumb", "clueless" , a rumor and that they played together in some lockout games together. At least i explained my reasoning on my opinion. if you dislike the thread move along. But please come with a better argument

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Why would you be worried about this now. Bledsoe isnt a free agent for two more years. Plus if you resign your guys its less of a salary hit on your team. Maybe we can have this thread in a couple years. Or at least we should wait till after next year if CP3 even resigns. It sure would be nice to have bledsoe as insurance in case cp3 leaves. If cp3 leaves and we traded bledsoe then what? We would look like complete fools with no point guard in a point guard driven league.

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This entire thread makes no sense to me. Mo and Gomes are BOTH expiring contracts. Paul is already signed for this upcoming year. We don't NEED to get rid of either Mo or Gomes. They come off the books, before we're even able to sign Paul. So, why would be NEED to get rid of Mo or Gomes to keep Paul? The two issues are not related.

Plus we can amnesty Mo as well, and use his salary to sign someone too, if it was an issue of improving the team for one year. And we can go over the cap to sign Evans (vet min exception), Billups (bird rights exception) and Young (no-bird exception), and still have the mini MLE (2.5M) or full MLE (5). All we need to do is make sure that stuff is for one-year deals rather than bust the luxury cap in two years, and then we let Paul dictate terms at that point. And, I disagree with your assumption we cannot trade Mo as things stand.

I mean, what does any of this have to do with Bledsoe, and all of it seems built on weak arguments to begin with.

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that rumor was started by Olshey then, since he said it first and I gave you the tweet that backed it up. Olshey has never disputed this, nor anyone else in the organization including cp3. You are wrong.

You are the one that is clueless because the facts that you present go against what you argue.

I backed up my argument, while you pull ish out of thin air.

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That's a pretty rediculous statement right there. It first assumes that if we did want to keep both we could not which is Not True. How could you argue that? Please explain this new rule to those of us who have not studied the CBA and tell us how we wont be able to keep our own players.

Maybe you should study basketball more and the cba less because you don't trade away an instrumental player in a playoff run on a rookie contract.

And it's not backed up with any facts.

I sometimes have a hard time responding to your post because I start to think you must be VDN or you have to be joking.

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