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Clipper-hater Rick Bucher reported on SportsCenter that the Clippers have a real chance at signing him because he wants to start and in BOS he'll be behind A. Bradley and in MIA he'll come off the bench for D. Wade. He also threw in a dig at Clip Nation saying Ray is used to disciplined systems and the Clips aren't there yet.

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I hope the clippers sign him, but if they do I have a feeling chauncey billups might leave because he might want to start as well. Still ray allen>billups

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I think Billups would want to start as well but the fact of the matter is he won't be available till January so Allen can start all that time and have Young back him. Then we have a 3 SG rotation once Billups gets back and handle it like you would with two children wanting to ride in the front seat. One starts one week and the other starts the other week. Or just look at the team you're facing and decide what's a better match up. If it's NY starting then these two old timers can't complain. Instead just help the young bloods develop their game so you can get that ring.

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I would take Allen over Billups,,,,,,WWCP3D

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If we get Allen I doubt CB stays... but Ray attracts more attention on offense, better shooter, in better shape and he defends better. only reason I'd be okay with CB over Ray is to keep CP3 happy. But Ray would be a small upgrade.

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CB would probably head to Miami where he wanted to go last season and have a excellent chance of getting another ring.

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Billups can't have his cake and eat it too. He can't expect us to approach this offseason with the idea that he's the clear choice at the 2. Like many know, he most likely won't be able to play till later in the season and he's not a natural 2. Ray Allen is.

If he gets upset and wants to leave, then let that "self-proclaimed" leader sign somewhere else. Next season is ultra-crucial.

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I have a feeling CP3 will be happy with Ray too. We simply don't know what would be getting out of Billups. He is coming off what many thought was a career ending injury.

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Yea billups hasn't played the last two postseasons and is coming off major injury, I don't think cp3 would be upset if billups leaves and we get ray allen as a replacement. Ray is the better option at starting 2 over billups.

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Billups is better than Allen.

Billups 16 PER to Allen 14 PER.

In fact, Billups was in the top ten SGs for PER last year (Ray Allen was 25th).

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Mistwell wrote:
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I hope the clippers sign him, but if they do I have a feeling chauncey billups might leave because he might want to start as well. Still ray allen>billups

Billups is better than Allen.

Billups 16 PER to Allen 14 PER.

In fact, Billups was in the top ten SGs for PER last year (Ray Allen was 25th).

Billups is also #1 in league for walking with a limp.

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If he goes to Miami the scenario is to keep playing Lebron at Power Forward and make Ray play the 3. Bosh obviously at the 5. It worked before with Bosh and Lebron moving over 1 position and I think they will do it again.

He didn't specifically say US as a team that wasn't as disciplined as others, but he said that Allen likes teams that aren't running around with a ton of young guys, speeding up and down the court, and playing all over the place.

I honestly think San Antonio is a sleeper. He wants discipline, San Antonio has the most discipline in the league. Miami runs all over the place.

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How many games did billups play? Ray is the better 3pt shooter and is a natural shooting guard, billups is playing out of position and we don't know how his injury is going to affect him.

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CP3:

""He knows my top priority right now is to make sure he's back with us again next season,"

"That was the best backcourt mate I played with since I've been in the NBA. He just gave me so much confidence and made things so much easier for me. So I need him back and want him back with the Clippers."

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And Allen is right behind him.

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Mistwell wrote:
lostcity88 wrote:
I hope the clippers sign him, but if they do I have a feeling chauncey billups might leave because he might want to start as well. Still ray allen>billups

Billups is better than Allen.

Billups 16 PER to Allen 14 PER.

In fact, Billups was in the top ten SGs for PER last year (Ray Allen was 25th).

Wins produced and ws/48 favor Allen by a good margin.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compa ... s%5B%5D=10

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Considering all the shooting guards he has played with of course he's going to say that, you don't think ray will make things easier for him and vice versa. Ray is more of a knockdown shooter and moves well without the ball and keeps himself in great shape.

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Another question, Considering CB is not 100% for a while we may be better having a healthy? Ray the whole season then be weak half the season.

Count total points lost when CB is gone Let's say for the 1st three months they both get 200 pts healthy ( just a # I pulled out of between my buns, not real). Young would get 150. We lose 50 pts by waiting on CB

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Because Allen is solely responsible for producing wins. Billups has moved around a lot while Allen had the luxury to be part of the original three.

But hey, guess what? Maybe Chalmers is the guy we need cause he has a better ws/48 than Billups, right?

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compa ... _ids[]=159

See, because using stats like that will always tell the whole story.

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Just read Clippers are trying to build a package deal for D12

EBled DJ Caron Butler for D12

Let's do this Clippers!!!!!!!

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Link?

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Say that his priority is to keep Billups? They have a history together. How was Kobe when they traded Caron? You listen to what your stars.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Wins produced and ws/48 favor Allen by a good margin.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compa ... s%5B%5D=10

Because Allen is solely responsible for producing wins. Billups has moved around a lot while Allen had the luxury to be part of the original three.

But hey, guess what? Maybe Chalmers is the guy we need cause he has a better ws/48 than Billups, right?

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compa ... _ids[]=159

See, because using stats like that will always tell the whole story.

One year comparisons...Chalmers? CJ, use the whole tool not just part of it. I was only using last season to rebuff the I year PER issue. Billups and Allen are very close talents even with their advancing age.

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Considering all the shooting guards he has played with of course he's going to say that, you don't think ray will make things easier for him and vice versa. Ray is more of a knockdown shooter and moves well without the ball and keeps himself in great shape.

Say that his priority is to keep Billups? They have a history together. How was Kobe when they traded Caron? You listen to what your stars.

They traded caron and gave kobe kwame, the clippers would lose billups but gain ray allen, not some bum who can't play. Sometimes the front office knows better not always the players. Kobe wanted jason kidd for bynum, you don't always listen to your stars.

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But, Bynum is now the focal point and they've been booted out of the playoffs 2 straight years while Kidd ended up not only beating the Lakers, but holding up a trophy. Lets not get into the trouble Bynum brings to the Lakers either.

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You missed my point. Those stats mean close to nothing. That is a team stat where any starter will end up with similar results.

Like DJ having one of the highest shooting %'s. Yes, they look great but it doesn't pass the eye test. People who watch, now how he keeps his %'s at the top of the ranks.

Allen was on one of the most loaded teams where he was usually fazed out by Rondo. Allen was, for the most part, the third man on the totem pole. Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo I would put in front of Allen in terms of who was more of the focal point on that team. The Celtics feel the same way being he is last in importance of being extended.

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I'm with you Joe, but we all know that the Lakers made a very wise decision not to trade Bynum for J kidd. Yea he was part of the team that swept the lakers, but Bynum did win 2 rings prior to that.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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One year comparisons...Chalmers? CJ, use the whole tool not just part of it. I was only using last season to rebuff the I year PER issue. Billups and Allen are very close talents even with their advancing age.

You missed my point. Those stats mean close to nothing. That is a team stat where any starter will end up with similar results.

Like DJ having one of the highest shooting %'s. Yes, they look great but it doesn't pass the eye test. People who watch, now how he keeps his %'s at the top of the ranks.

Allen was on one of the most loaded teams where he was usually fazed out by Rondo. Allen was, for the most part, the third man on the totem pole. Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo I would put in front of Allen in terms of who was more of the focal point on that team. The Celtics feel the same way being he is last in importance of being extended.

Actually Ainge just said that resigning Ray is priority No. 1.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bask ... ald.com%29

But everybody turns things like he wants them to be anyways. The D12 Thread is a real good example for that...

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clipper*joe wrote:
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One year comparisons...Chalmers? CJ, use the whole tool not just part of it. I was only using last season to rebuff the I year PER issue. Billups and Allen are very close talents even with their advancing age.

You missed my point. Those stats mean close to nothing. That is a team stat where any starter will end up with similar results.

Like DJ having one of the highest shooting %'s. Yes, they look great but it doesn't pass the eye test. People who watch, now how he keeps his %'s at the top of the ranks.

Allen was on one of the most loaded teams where he was usually fazed out by Rondo. Allen was, for the most part, the third man on the totem pole. Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo I would put in front of Allen in terms of who was more of the focal point on that team. The Celtics feel the same way being he is last in importance of being extended.

Compare their whole career is my point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nra02.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... uch01.html

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clipper*joe wrote:
inventor310 wrote:
Just read Clippers are trying to build a package deal for D12

EBled DJ Caron Butler for D12

Let's do this Clippers!!!!!!!

Link?

It's pretty much twitter speculation.

That offer IMO is the best Out there for ORL (assuming Bynum's not available).

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clipper*joe wrote:
inventor310 wrote:
Just read Clippers are trying to build a package deal for D12

EBled DJ Caron Butler for D12

Let's do this Clippers!!!!!!!

Link?

Seriously. Link?

BTW I like Allen as a player but not as a person. We need to zero in on Crawford/Billups/Young then go find a backup big for DJ. Nothing more nothing less.

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As a role player. Odom was finishing games, not Bynum.

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mjsf, why dont u like allen as a person? any particular reason? allen>crawford. allen,young and bills sounds more intimidating to any team that faces us. at the end of games we could go cp3, billups, allen, LO and BG. you would have 3 clutch players on the court. wow. that would be an interesting proposition. just add a legit backup 5 and u have a championship caliber team.

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Yeah, I guess Garnett was just an afterthought, eh? I guess everybody turns things like he wants them to be anyways.

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Bynum did nothing for the Fakers during that 2009 championship run. If anything Pau, Odom and Artest(maybe) should get all the credit for stepping up their games.

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Show me who they played with throughout their careers and I will get a better understanding of what those numbers mean. Again, the stat you provided has a lot to do with the players they're surrounded with.

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clipper*joe wrote:
lacsmoove wrote:
I'm with you Joe, but we all know that the Lakers made a very wise decision not to trade Bynum for J kidd. Yea he was part of the team that swept the lakers, but Bynum did win 2 rings prior to that.

As a role player. Odom was finishing games, not Bynum.

I believe every proposed trade that year was bynum+odom for kid, oneal, kg. Bynum at least now has trade value, kidd has been on the decline. Point is stars should not always get their way. Unless cp3 is saying I won't sign an extension unless you resign billups, he will be fine with ray allen as his running mate. He has respect for allen and ray is going to be ready by training camp.

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Lets see we tried to sign him back in 05/06 season before we settled on Cat Mobley and he gave us the stoneface. [profane] that [profane]. I'd rather see him rot on the Celtics bench then come to our team and act like his [profane] don't stink. Twisted Evil

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Show me who they played with throughout their careers and I will get a better understanding of what those numbers mean. Again, the stat you provided has a lot to do with the players they're surrounded with.

You know the teams...you figure out, lol.

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That was a figure of speech...Rhetorical if you will. Just means that it's more about the complete talent, than just one player getting the stats.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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You know the teams...you figure out, lol.

That was a figure of speech...Rhetorical if you will. Just means that it's more about the complete talent, than just one player getting the stats.

I understand.

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MJSF wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
inventor310 wrote:
Just read Clippers are trying to build a package deal for D12

EBled DJ Caron Butler for D12

Let's do this Clippers!!!!!!!

Link?

Seriously. Link?

BTW I like Allen as a player but not as a person. We need to zero in on Crawford/Billups/Young then go find a backup big for DJ. Nothing more nothing less.

Allen is one of the most gentlemanly players in the NBA. On his own he helps charity and is considered one of the best sportsmen in the league, a class act

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I doubt Chauncey would have a problem coming off the bench for Ray Allen considering the severity of his injury. You gotta remember he's coming back from what is usually a CAREER ENDING injury. No matter who we get at SG, Chauncey is going to have to play limited minutes, as to not risk re-injury.

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Plus they all want to win at this point in their careers. If something as silly as who starts and who doesn't (at 36 and 37 years old) is an issue, than neither of them are seeing the big picture.

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Fat chance my friend

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chauncey would come of the bench...why wouldn't he? o.O its for the best of the team.

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CP3 made it clear he want sot play WITH cb on the starting roster. Unless you move CP3 to the bench!

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MJSF wrote:
bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
mjsf, why dont u like allen as a person? any particular reason? allen>crawford. allen,young and bills sounds more intimidating to any team that faces us. at the end of games we could go cp3, billups, allen, LO and BG. you would have 3 clutch players on the court. wow. that would be an interesting proposition. just add a legit backup 5 and u have a championship caliber team.

Lets see we tried to sign him back in 05/06 season before we settled on Cat Mobley and he gave us the stoneface. [profane] that [profane]. I'd rather see him rot on the Celtics bench then come to our team and act like his [profane] don't stink. Twisted Evil

yup, here it is --> http://www.clublakers.com/nba-discussion/ray-allen-the-clippers-t35539 .html

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he never said he wanted him in the starting lineup.

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He said he wants to play with CB. That to me means to share the ball therefore the starting lineup! CB will be fine from his injury. He's way ahead of rehab!

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