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Ok let me do that then gonna take a while! see you!

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Howard made 21 of 39, going for 45 points and 23 boards.

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Yeah here turns out he made 18 more than what I said but he still attempted a bunch: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1022765-record-set-at-the-free-thro w-line-dwight-howard-takes-39-shots-for-the-magic

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^bleacher report isnt a reliable source, come on. 21 of 39 is still over 50% and putting up 45 and 23 is damn impressive.

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What do you mean RELIABLE source! It's not a rumor, it's a fact. I'm not gonna search in the database of the nba for that recap, but I saw the recap and I guess you're gonna have to take my word for it along with 10 other sites!

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i mean that you cant believe anything written on a belacer report bc it is written by 15 year old little pimple faced dorks that are writing opinions not actual article with any substance. you might as well be a writer for it. its ameteur trash.

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You know who you just described don't ya. 8)

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WE CAN TRADE DJ RIGHT NOW WITH HIS CONSENT. SO PLEASE STOP SAYING WE CANNOT TRADE DJ.

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i mean that you cant believe anything written on a belacer report bc it is written by 15 year old little pimple faced dorks that are writing opinions not actual article with any substance. you might as well be a writer for it. its ameteur trash.

You know who you just described don't ya. 8)

haha i wonder if he knows

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^While I would love to get D12. I think he is the true solution to the Clippers winning a Title 3,4,5 or more. I think the the only real problem is getting DJ to accept. But I would try to get the deal done regardless. If we sign D12 I can imagine D12 or CP3 not coming back. We would be the Miami of the West Coast and I believe even better. Since we have a true center, Power forward and A great Point Gaurd. We would have the ultimate 3 players. Now would DJ accept thats the real question and do we have enough to make Orlando do the trade? Thats the real question. I think the front office should do everything they can to try to make it happen. I think our true chances are about 25% to land D12. I dont think that Dwight wants to goto the Lakers and I think he would probably be unhappy and bail on them after 1 year. Now on the other hand I don't think D12 would ming playing with the Clippers. So I believe the chances for us landing D12 are pretty high. Andrew Bynum and Gasol for D12 I would do that trade if I were Orlando. But considering if DJ accepts DJ, Bledsoe, Gomes, and Butler and maybe 2 First round pick. I think the Deal can get done. We would be awsome.

If we couldnt get the Deal done I wouldn't mind getting Al jefferson as maybe a 2nd choice. I think we would do great with Al Jefferson maybe not a gaurnanteed Titile like with D12. But we would have a very good chance at winning it alll with Al Jefferson. So I would love to see either one of them. But of Course Superman is my first choice...

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im not sold on acquiring d12. hes worse than lebron with his drama playing out in the media. im glad he wont be able to go to brooklyn. hes like a spoiled child with all his demands. the only player from the magic id love to have is ryan anderson. could we trade for him? i think that is more realistic. people like to say we would be contenders, barring injuries with d12, bg and cp3. last i checked, howard is coming back from serious back surgery, cp3 is not particularly the poster boy for good health and BG plays very physical. that is not a recipe for barring injuries. suppose we were to acquire d12 for dj, ebled, butler, and a future first, who would we have to backup cp3, bg, and d12. i know we would sign reggie, but who would play backup pg? odom could back up bg and maybe thompkins could be the backup center. lets say u sign billups and nick young, we would still be out a backup pg, a backup sg for 2 months. so im not sold on having a big 3 if we would struggle mightly by having a weak bench.

starting five: cp3, ny, lo, bg, d12

backup: ?, billups(out for the first 2 months), thompkins, reggie evans, travis leslie, bobby simmons. ouch, we would drop off significantly.

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id actually would not mind al jefferson. he could compliment bg better imo. wouldnt take as much to get him than to get howard. idk if people will think im crazy but what about dj+butler+ebled for jefferson+ gordon hayward. the jazz just acquired marvin williams to play sf. maybe we can pry hayward from them. im a big bledsoe fan, but i know the jazz would want him as well aside from dj.

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Who cares about the Drama. Ultimitely Lebron got his ring and is on his way to get more.

Could you imagine what D12, BG Superdunks from both Super Lob City and the Best PG on the Planet.

You would have the Best PG, The best Center and The Future Best Power Forward in the World.

Hands Down.

Bring on the Drama.

I think we could ony dream.

That it would really happen.

D12 would be crazy not to want to come and play in Clipper Land....

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^ we would also have the nba's weakest bench. at least for 2 months. lebron is not on his way to more rings, the way it is shaping up in the east, unless they get ray allen, they will struggle with boston, chicago, hell add the nets if they do keep dwill. its not as easy as people think it will be next season for miami. yeah i think thats all this is, a dream. eventhough the clips would be howards best team to go to, i dont think we will get him. houston has more pieces to offer than we do. scola+lowry+martin and one of their picks for howard is the best deal out there for them to take

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Jefferson is a back to the basket player and will take up the lane. Since Blake does not have a mid range jumper they will both fill up the lane.

Jefferson is also not a good passer and holds the ball in the post.

Plus Jefferson's defense is awful and Blake is not much better.

Jefferson is a good scorer and can rebound but having Blake and Jefferson playing together would mean the other team can score at will.

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Unless there are some major changes in the NBA like Superman coming to the Clippers. Miami Heat will easily at worst case scenerio win at least another 2 - 3 titles. There is no doubt in my mind barring injuries and now that they have won. Vetrans will easily flock to fill there gaps. Don't be surprised to see Nash or Allen next year in a Heat Jersey. Top players will take less money to win titles. This will be the era of the Heat. Hands down. Miami will be doubted every year just because. you either love Lebron or you hate him becasue of all the Drama.

The end result whether you like him or not barring injuries.

Miami will win a mutli-tude of NBA Titles.

OKC Might sneek in 1 or2. But I doubt that will happen until the Big 3 are broken up or Just 2 old. Look at Boston and the Spurs looks at how old there core is and yet they are contenders for the title.

I don't see Miami losing for at least the next 2-3 years.

They will easily win a 3peat and possibly a 4peat.

Unless like I said D12 joins the Clips...

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anyone who doesn't want DH on their team is a retard lol

I don't want him but I think anyone that does, is a MORON that doesn't understand he wants to go to one place, and one place only.

And Chaucey Billups said he would spurn any team that bid on him...

If there is truth to this, which I doubt, moving DJ, Caron and Bledsoe is a no brainer for a couple reasons...

The first is that DJ is overpaid. It wouldn't be a bad play to simply let him go (if we could) so we would have his 10-million a year to bring in a more productive player.

The second is that Caron is also overpaid. I would sure like to have his eight million a year to spend on someone else.

The only asset of genuine value we would be giving up is Bledsoe. (Overpaid players aren't assets, they're liabilities) Even if Howard only stays a year and leaves, we would have 18-million free next off season to bring players in... And this is now a destination.

I would make that deal in a heartbeat... Howard would be living in Los Angeles, playing with two of the best players in the game, all in their prime... It's a better big three than Miami... I would be willing to bet he'd be thrilled...

And if not, we've rid ourselves of Caron and DJ... This is not to suggest they are bad players... Just overpaid. We could do better with the same money we are paying them...

Make the deal. We would merely have to add one-dimensional shooters at the 2 and 3 and we would be great.

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How about we KEEP everyone we have. DJ becomes the force down low on defense, BG and DJ throw lobs to each other with CP3, Paul shoots mid rangers, and we keep Ebled, NY, and Billups!

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id actually would not mind al jefferson. he could compliment bg better imo. wouldnt take as much to get him than to get howard. idk if people will think im crazy but what about dj+butler+ebled for jefferson+ gordon hayward. the jazz just acquired marvin williams to play sf. maybe we can pry hayward from them. im a big bledsoe fan, but i know the jazz would want him as well aside from dj.

Jefferson is a back to the basket player and will take up the lane. Since Blake does not have a mid range jumper they will both fill up the lane.

Jefferson is also not a good passer and holds the ball in the post.

Plus Jefferson's defense is awful and Blake is not much better.

Jefferson is a good scorer and can rebound but having Blake and Jefferson playing together would mean the other team can score at will.

I don't agree. One of things the Clippers are lacking unless DJ does a 180. We are lacking a true Center that is a threat. BG IMO is one of the few true Power Forwards in the Game. Having a pretty dominant Center always helps.

One of the Questions with Miami is that Bosh does not have a real center to play with. If you take the Olympics the fear going into the Olympics is not having a dominat Center. The fears are especially when we face spain, Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol and Thabo sefelosha will be a real problem for the USA. if you go back to the Twin Towers like David Robinson and Tim Duncan, Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Oljauwan, kareem and Worthy. Gasol and Bynum. you can never have enough good quality bigs. Jeferson and Griffin in todays game would be adequate Giants. These would help free up CP3 and still alow BG more freedom to shoot from 15 feet with more confidence. Since you would have a legitimate big to rebound any misses.

While Al jefferson is no D12. He would make a great Fit on this team. Sort of like ZBO and Gasol in Memphis.

We would be a very hard team to stop.

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^ we would also have the nba's weakest bench. at least for 2 months. lebron is not on his way to more rings, the way it is shaping up in the east, unless they get ray allen, they will struggle with boston, chicago, hell add the nets if they do keep dwill. its not as easy as people think it will be next season for miami. yeah i think thats all this is, a dream. eventhough the clips would be howards best team to go to, i dont think we will get him. houston has more pieces to offer than we do. scola+lowry+martin and one of their picks for howard is the best deal out there for them to take

Unless there are some major changes in the NBA like Superman coming to the Clippers. Miami Heat will easily at worst case scenerio win at least another 2 - 3 titles. There is no doubt in my mind barring injuries and now that they have won. Vetrans will easily flock to fill there gaps. Don't be surprised to see Nash or Allen next year in a Heat Jersey. Top players will take less money to win titles. This will be the era of the Heat. Hands down. Miami will be doubted every year just because. you either love Lebron or you hate him becasue of all the Drama.

The end result whether you like him or not barring injuries.

Miami will win a mutli-tude of NBA Titles.

OKC Might sneek in 1 or2. But I doubt that will happen until the Big 3 are broken up or Just 2 old. Look at Boston and the Spurs looks at how old there core is and yet they are contenders for the title.

I don't see Miami losing for at least the next 2-3 years.

They will easily win a 3peat and possibly a 4peat.

Unless like I said D12 joins the Clips...

first off, i like lbj. i respect the guy for the greatness of his game. that said, i dont see them being the jordan led bulls of 3 consecutive championships. i dont think they will acquire nash. toronto and ny will pay him 3 times what miami will. i also think ray allen goes back to boston. i feel boston will be a tough out for them even if they are getting older. heres why: their draft was excellent. jared sullinger will replace brandon bass. more skilled than bass. fab melo will be a defensive force for them. they have a great backcourt of avery bradley and rondo. pierce will still be mr.reliable. they still will be able to resign jeff green. the heat went through hell to get by boston without avery bradley and a healthy allen. i agree with u lebron will win at least one more title.

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I think it's pretty funny about this thread because I havent read a D12 for DJ and pieces trade anywhere. Sounds like a bunch of hooplah about nothing. Even if the magic wanted to trade D12 to the Clippers, it wouldnt be for DJ. SMH at you all.

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As far as us getting another Big, we have our thumbs up our butts. No chance. I'd almost like Pau in a multi team deal but we'd never deal with LAL

As far as multiple rings I really believe OKC is a better team. We're working on a team as good. Fortunately we don't as yet have the payroll to preclude a bench. OKC were babies that's the problem. Next yr they'll give the Heat a run for their money barring a healthy D Rose or THE CLIPPERS

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id actually would not mind al jefferson. he could compliment bg better imo. wouldnt take as much to get him than to get howard. idk if people will think im crazy but what about dj+butler+ebled for jefferson+ gordon hayward. the jazz just acquired marvin williams to play sf. maybe we can pry hayward from them. im a big bledsoe fan, but i know the jazz would want him as well aside from dj.

Jefferson is a back to the basket player and will take up the lane. Since Blake does not have a mid range jumper they will both fill up the lane.

Jefferson is also not a good passer and holds the ball in the post.

Plus Jefferson's defense is awful and Blake is not much better.

Jefferson is a good scorer and can rebound but having Blake and Jefferson playing together would mean the other team can score at will.

I don't agree. One of things the Clippers are lacking unless DJ does a 180. We are lacking a true Center that is a threat. BG IMO is one of the few true Power Forwards in the Game. Having a pretty dominant Center always helps.

One of the Questions with Miami is that Bosh does not have a real center to play with. If you take the Olympics the fear going into the Olympics is not having a dominat Center. The fears are especially when we face spain, Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol and Thabo sefelosha will be a real problem for the USA. if you go back to the Twin Towers like David Robinson and Tim Duncan, Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Oljauwan, kareem and Worthy. Gasol and Bynum. you can never have enough good quality bigs. Jeferson and Griffin in todays game would be adequate Giants. These would help free up CP3 and still alow BG more freedom to shoot from 15 feet with more confidence. Since you would have a legitimate big to rebound any misses.

While Al jefferson is no D12. He would make a great Fit on this team. Sort of like ZBO and Gasol in Memphis.

We would be a very hard team to stop.

puddnghead, have u seen jefferson play? the guy is a skilled big man who can shoot a very consistent jumper. and his d is not bad. hes solid. he would mesh with bg perfectly. we would indeed be the team to beat in the west if we acquired jefferson.

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The only hope for a good center is some sort of sign and trade. If we get somebody who may take DJ's starting job maybe he'll get off his lazy Texass. Otherwise Slim Pickins

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I'll admit Dwights a top 3 Center in the entire league, but I still don't want him on our squad. Dwight Howard is a Coward, we don't need no 7-foot drama queen

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^Truth^

And it's wide open now. The Nets said screw it and made the deal for JJ. They're now one of the last teams he can go to.

It's basically Clips, Lakers, Houston and maybe Knicks and ATL.

If Lakers offer Bynum they have to accept but I don't think Buss is going to make that offer.

Beyond that I don't see a great package out there. Houston just offered Asik, if that doesn't get matched they're moving on. Who else is there?

DJ, Ebled, Caron, Gomes and a pick if needed...Hedo and D12 come back. They probably cannot do any better and we would have a chance at a dynasty.

Figure CP3/D12 vs. Bron/Wade is a wash. I'd take Blake over Bosh any day but beyond that we are significantly better than the current champs.

Odom/Billups/Jamal/Nick/Hedo vs. Battier/Chalmers/Miller/Haslem/Anthony. It's no contest. This trade is a no brainer.

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Top 3? There's nobody on the planet that can even hold his jock.

I think he's a douchebag just like everybody else but I want banners hanging in that building and you need the best players to be the best team.

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TheDude wrote:
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I'll admit Dwights a top 3 Center in the entire league, but I still don't want him on our squad. Dwight Howard is a Coward, we don't need no 7-foot drama queen

Top 3? There's nobody on the planet that can even hold his jock.

I think he's a douchebag just like everybody else but I want banners hanging in that building and you need the best players to be the best team.

Bynum when he's not licking his own a*s

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D12 won't resign with LAL most likley. Why should we take a rental? Maybe one ring? If BG's Ft% is 70% it may be Ok

This is better than Magettee

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BACK TO REALITY

If you were Jordan wouldn't you rather play with CP3 and Griffen or ??? in Orlando? Why should he accept the trade? I don't think I would

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^ Because he could be the star in Orlando Vs the 3rd or 4th guy in Los Angeles....Eventually he would make more money as the star...

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It looks like D12 is going to the nets after all just like I thought earlier just not including Joe Johnson. They are about to form there big 3 plus gerald Wallace.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81254 ... ources-say

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Could go...could. How many times has that word been associated with Howard. He's hasn't gone anywhere yet, except in circles, which seems to be your favorite direction too, lol. Stop.

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Go to brooklyn DH12. Razz

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tense2 wrote:
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It looks like D12 is going to the nets after all just like I thought earlier just not including Joe Johnson. They are about to form there big 3 plus gerald Wallace.

Could go...could. How many times has that word been associated with Howard. He's hasn't gone anywhere yet, except in circles, which seems to be your favorite direction too, lol. Stop.

There's been like 1 inkling of a chance that he can still go to NJ and all of a sudden he is going there?? Some people here get soooo sparked up over some columnist idea

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^While I would love to get D12. I think he is the true solution to the Clippers winning a Title 3,4,5 or more. I think the the only real problem is getting DJ to accept. But I would try to get the deal done regardless. If we sign D12 I can imagine D12 or CP3 not coming back. We would be the Miami of the West Coast and I believe even better. Since we have a true center, Power forward and A great Point Gaurd. We would have the ultimate 3 players. Now would DJ accept thats the real question and do we have enough to make Orlando do the trade? Thats the real question. I think the front office should do everything they can to try to make it happen. I think our true chances are about 25% to land D12. I dont think that Dwight wants to goto the Lakers and I think he would probably be unhappy and bail on them after 1 year. Now on the other hand I don't think D12 would ming playing with the Clippers. So I believe the chances for us landing D12 are pretty high. Andrew Bynum and Gasol for D12 I would do that trade if I were Orlando. But considering if DJ accepts DJ, Bledsoe, Gomes, and Butler and maybe 2 First round pick. I think the Deal can get done. We would be awsome.

If we couldnt get the Deal done I wouldn't mind getting Al jefferson as maybe a 2nd choice. I think we would do great with Al Jefferson maybe not a gaurnanteed Titile like with D12. But we would have a very good chance at winning it alll with Al Jefferson. So I would love to see either one of them. But of Course Superman is my first choice...

id actually would not mind al jefferson. he could compliment bg better imo. wouldnt take as much to get him than to get howard. idk if people will think im crazy but what about dj+butler+ebled for jefferson+ gordon hayward. the jazz just acquired marvin williams to play sf. maybe we can pry hayward from them. im a big bledsoe fan, but i know the jazz would want him as well aside from dj.

Exactly what I've been saying. Yet i thought (prior to the Mo trade) that we could have packaged DJ, Mo and a future first or 2 second rounders for Al Jeff.

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Alrighty kiddo, come over here and have a seat, I'll explain why we can't keep everyone. First of all due to financial restrictions we can't afford to keep everyone. It's impossible. But that's not the main reason. The main reason is because last years team didn't win. It had holes. So the idea is to go get new players that might fill those holes and hopefully mesh better with the rest of the team, creating a BETTER team than before. And seeing as how quick you became mentally married to NY I'm guessing that you will fall in love with who ever the new guy is here next year as well. Now go outside and play with your friends, you're on summer break! Leave the business to adults

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How about we KEEP everyone we have. DJ becomes the force down low on defense, BG and DJ throw lobs to each other with CP3, Paul shoots mid rangers, and we keep Ebled, NY, and Billups!

Alrighty kiddo, come over here and have a seat, I'll explain why we can't keep everyone. First of all due to financial restrictions we can't afford to keep everyone. It's impossible. But that's not the main reason. The main reason is because last years team didn't win. It had holes. So the idea is to go get new players that might fill those holes and hopefully mesh better with the rest of the team, creating a BETTER team than before. And seeing as how quick you became mentally married to NY I'm guessing that you will fall in love with who ever the new guy is here next year as well. Now go outside and play with your friends, you're on summer break! Leave the business to adults

Now you've gone and done it. I was beginning to like the idea of a mascot. lol

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@JRudolphSports: Source: Lakers are prepared to offer the Andrew Bynum and Metta World Peace to the Magic for Dwight Howard provided Howard signs extension

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Wait a minute I though Howard was a goner to The Nets...geez, you can't trust anybody. wink

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Orlando should keep Dwight. This league is going to break under the weight of all these super teams, and I'm seriously tired of it.

Maybe Lebron will get his wish and they'll contract the league to be only 6 teams: Miami, Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Oklahoma and the Lakers.

Oh happy day.

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Sources today didnt mention us in the mix for DH12. As I posted yesterday already this is totally made by and in a couple of brains here for we arent interested in him at all.

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tense2 wrote:
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@JRudolphSports: Source: Lakers are prepared to offer the Andrew Bynum and Metta World Peace to the Magic for Dwight Howard provided Howard signs extension

Wait a minute I though Howard was a goner to The Nets...geez, you can't trust anybody. wink

Haha every day more "facts" are coming into focus. Yesterday he was traded and the clippers already had crawford. today DH is a laker and Ray allen is going to be a clipper! I cant kep track of everything! where is the mascot to straighten things out???

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That would be one of the stupidest trades ever. MWP has 3 years left on his contract and is a shell of his former self. Bynum has the same contract situation as Dwight, so Orlando wouldn't be solving anything.

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