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lacsmoove
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D12 would be a great pickup, yet I think it's a real longshot. I know I sound like a broken record, but I think we could get Al Jefferson a lot Cheaper, Maybe a 3 or 4 team trade with Houston.

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Orlando is going to ask for more then just DJ, EB, and picks. Our picks would be crap because we are going to win so most likely late 1st round. Their gonna ask for BG to be thrown in there instead of DJ most likely. Howard is not worth BG. We have BG locked in for 5 years and we'd give that up for one year? Makes sense to some but not to me.

Bingoooo
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We actually have a feasible shot at landing Dwight Howard . Now we just need to find a GM to do it.

ekker3
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if you look at our current roster, its not championship caliber. no way, no how. Blake and CP (if he stays) will get the max. DJ's massive contract will only prevent us from getting the pieces.

as much as i hate DH and the idea of the "big 3" (its everything i never wanted the clippers to become - became a fan due to its BLUE COLLAR personality), its the opportunity to become LEGIT contenders for a ring.

besides, even if DH leaves us after next season, its not like we're giving up pieces that will absolutely destroy our future.

of course, this is all assuming ORL likes our offer.

im (reluctantly) down for this. why not?

airgordon23
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Not to mention, that even if we do make this trade... we'll still have money to spend for Free Agents.. Ray Allen would for sure take a 1-2 year deal to come play with us... Chauncey would resign, and we it would be the Clippers Vs Miami for the next 8 years in the finals... Imagine, CP3, Ray Allen, Lamar Odom, Blake Griffin, & Dwight Howard all on the same team O_O ... Is that even fair? lol

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This...

puddnhead83
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BACON wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
if you look at our current roster, its not championship caliber. no way, no how. Blake and CP (if he stays) will get the max. DJ's massive contract will only prevent us from getting the pieces.

as much as i hate DH and the idea of the "big 3" (its everything i never wanted the clippers to become - became a fan due to its BLUE COLLAR personality), its the opportunity to become LEGIT contenders for a ring.

besides, even if DH leaves us after next season, its not like we're giving up pieces that will absolutely destroy our future.

of course, this is all assuming ORL likes our offer.

im (reluctantly) down for this. why not?

This...

Stockton and Malone.

ClipperSam
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http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... s-clippers

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The best the Clips can do is DeAndre, Bledsoe, Butler, Gomes, and picks for Dwight and Turk. It's up to other teams to beat this.

DeAndre would also have to agree to any trade and would Orlando want DeAndre at $10 million a year.

Bingoooo
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If you think about it the idea of a big 3 or any-player that qualifies as a part of a big 3, is the true blue collar model. Cause in order for a player to be good enough for superstar status he has to put allot of work and effort into his game ie he has to follow the blue collar mantra of "hard work".

Whereas guys who are perceived as blue collar like Kaman and QRich aren't blue collar guys, they're players that didn't develop their god given skills guys that didn't work hard.

My point is , guys like Blake and CP3 are the true blue collar guys.Whereas players like Kaman/Odom/QRich aren't.

Bingoooo
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My opinion is the rockets will land Dwight.

ekker3
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puddnhead83 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
if you look at our current roster, its not championship caliber. no way, no how. Blake and CP (if he stays) will get the max. DJ's massive contract will only prevent us from getting the pieces.

as much as i hate DH and the idea of the "big 3" (its everything i never wanted the clippers to become - became a fan due to its BLUE COLLAR personality), its the opportunity to become LEGIT contenders for a ring.

besides, even if DH leaves us after next season, its not like we're giving up pieces that will absolutely destroy our future.

of course, this is all assuming ORL likes our offer.

im (reluctantly) down for this. why not?

Stockton and Malone.

...and Shaq

(Blake and CP are staying. no way they're being offered)

BringMcadooBackado
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Don't forget Trey. He's tradable and Aminu 2.0 when it comes to upside and no current game.

Hoop
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Somebody twitter CP3 that for hes actively recruiting...

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Bingoooo wrote:
ekker3 wrote:

as much as i hate DH and the idea of the "big 3" (its everything i never wanted the clippers to become - became a fan due to its BLUE COLLAR personality), its the opportunity to become LEGIT contenders for a ring.

If you think about it the idea of a big 3 or any-player that qualifies as a part of a big 3, is the true blue collar model. Cause in order for a player to be good enough for superstar status he has to put allot of work and effort into his game ie he has to follow the blue collar mantra of "hard work".

Whereas guys who are perceived as blue collar like Kaman and QRich aren't blue collar guys, they're players that didn't develop their god given skills guys that didn't work hard.

My point is , guys like Blake and CP3 are the true blue collar guys.Whereas players like Kaman/Odom/QRich aren't.

Reggie Evans is the blue collar protype. rag-tag guy that will do everything possible to make up for his lack of overall talent. court burns from sliding all over the court.

ka-billionaire players are too glitz/glamour for my liking. that's what i meant. but then there's blake's hustle that makes up for that image

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Try dallas. According to ric bucher, lakers & clippers. Dallas in. Smile

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allbeast32 wrote:
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My opinion is the rockets will land Dwight.
Try dallas. According to ric bucher, lakers & clippers. Dallas in. Smile

dallas would have to wait to sign him as an FA, right? what can they offer that beats LAC&HOU's offer?

puddnhead83
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You don't need a big 3 to win, you just need guys that can cover the weakness of the star players. Guys who know their role in the game plan. The Heat won the title because Bosh stop trying to be the star player and became a role player.

ekker3
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true. i agree 100%, but our roster currently lacks those role players (everyone's streaky as sin or injury prone) and no one's available to fill those roles.

BoomRizzle
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We CANNOT trade Deandre Jordan for a few months, so please stop making trade ideas involving DJ. If you want to suggest trading CP or BG fine, but stop with the DJ stuff.

realbull17
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My opinion is the rockets will land Dwight. Try dallas. According to ric bucher, lakers & clippers out. Dallas in. Smile

Bingoooo
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Yep Reggie is the perfect example of a blue collar guy but for every Reggie there are 10 Crawfords ,point is it's not the model big 3/2 ...etc . It's the players you get and I like to think that both of our stars are Blue Collar guys , both of them would dive head first into the stands after a loose balls unlike most superstars.

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To say for the millionth time "retard is an insult to 'developmentally disabled" people. (Sorry my gay) friends It's like "f*g" or the "N" word.

Having said that i don't want Howard. First he's a rental, second He and BG will clog up the paint. We can't have tweedle dee and tweedle dum (not dumb). Bledsoe is more important than D12. If we did BG for D12 and ? Gomes or Butler OK. Pts

We are not assured a championship.

Bledsoe had 4 games 25 + min. I'll toss out the one with 4 pts as an abberation Starter minutes are usually 32 min. For three games Fasten your seatbelts

21 ppg

4 reb

5 assist

1 blk

3 steals

Howard 2010

23ppg

2.2 blk

1.4 steal

14 boards

1.9 assist

We get EB at 1/10 the price.

Trading this guy is Nuts

CP3Best
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Everyone is forgetting one big problem. D12 can't shoot fts if his life depended on it! Last season he missed 45 free throws in ONE damn game! He and BG can't share the front court, because they both do the same thing, BG hooks or fades and D12 just dominates the paint area with hooks and dunks.

ekker3
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DH gets traded to Houston right now. He wont stay there since he's be essentially playing on a worse roster than ORL. Since he becomes a FA following next season, trade DJ package for his rights. (or wait and hope he signs as an FA)

ClipperSam
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I have a question maybe someone can answer. That I have not heard. Is it possible for the nets to trade Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez and some parts to Orlando in exchange for D12. Could this trade the Nets made for Joe Johnson just be a way for the Nets to package a deal for Dwight? Does anyone know if it's possibble?

Regarding the DJ trade they can still try to make DJ except the trade. They can make him accept it or tell him they will trade him in December regardless to a horrible destination so why not Orlando

Bingoooo
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allbeast32 wrote:
Bingoooo wrote:
My opinion is the rockets will land Dwight.
Try dallas. According to ric bucher, lakers & clippers. Dallas in. Smile

Dallas don't have anybody to trade , Rockets have a ton.

If I was in-charge of the Magic I'd take Lowry/TJones/White/Lamb straight up for Howard and Turkoglu .

hoopfanjd31
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Because DH has proven himself to be a total unreliable, unloyal, immature douche, who can seriously kill team chemistry. As much as I think highly of CP3's leadership ability, I still think Howard on a one-year rental could cause problems. Especially because, no matter how well he plays, he's not going to overtake either Blake or CP in terms of popularity. He's not going to be happy being the 3rd favorite Clipper.

If a Howard trade happens, I'm not going to renounce my fanship or anything, but I'd rather it not happen.

BoomRizzle
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I believe (have to look it up not 100%) that a traded player can be traded again right away, but cannot be packaged with other players and traded for a certain period of time.

Bingoooo
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  1. Not possible for Johnson to be traded for at least a year plus nobody's going to take his contract no matter how desperate, Brook Lopez has to first sign with the Nets then agree to be traded to Orlando.

  2. DJ wouldn't accept a trade to the Magic.

ekker3
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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
im (reluctantly) down for this. why not?

Because DH has proven himself to be a total unreliable, unloyal, immature douche, who can seriously kill team chemistry. As much as I think highly of CP3's leadership ability, I still think Howard on a one-year rental could cause problems. Especially because, no matter how well he plays, he's not going to overtake either Blake or CP in terms of popularity. He's not going to be happy being the 3rd favorite Clipper.

If a Howard trade happens, I'm not going to renounce my fanship or anything, but I'd rather it not happen.

deep down inside, id rather it not happen also.

but then the idea of being ULTRA competitive next year (even if its only for a year) really gets me pumped.

ClipperSam
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^ I think your right but than if I am Orlando. I can make it 2 desperate trades. D12 for Joe Johnson. Then turn around an do a Hedo t for Brook lopez and Marshon brook and 1st round pick as a way to get around the system. This could be just a way for the Nets to lock up D12. I am surprised no one is bringing this up. I keep hearing there our of the D12 sweepstakes. I don't think this is right.

uncool
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Why are we assuming DJ has an ego like Dwight Howard & wont play for ORL? He plays better on bad teams honestly & Orlando's a great place to live & he's young, not like he's a "championship or bust veteran".

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ekker3 wrote:
hoopfanjd31 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
im (reluctantly) down for this. why not?

Because DH has proven himself to be a total unreliable, unloyal, immature douche, who can seriously kill team chemistry. As much as I think highly of CP3's leadership ability, I still think Howard on a one-year rental could cause problems. Especially because, no matter how well he plays, he's not going to overtake either Blake or CP in terms of popularity. He's not going to be happy being the 3rd favorite Clipper.

If a Howard trade happens, I'm not going to renounce my fanship or anything, but I'd rather it not happen.

deep down inside, id rather it not happen also.

but then the idea of being ULTRA competitive next year (even if its only for a year) really gets me pumped.

Yeah, but its got one downside if we do not win sth. ( which is also a possibility with DH and BG neutralizing each other in the paint), CP might be gone at the end of season and with EB gone well be in rebuilding mode left only with BG. Intriguing but also enormously high stake...

And btw last trading period we were thrown in as a possible destination for DH12 too, where he even commited himself beeing interested in LAC and what turned out? We were never interested and even didnt give him a call. It just turned out to be a rumour made up by an unreliable "source"...

Guys we can play more Fantasy League here but with all the ingredients theres a 1% chance this will ever happen.

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We're not gonna get him but I'd prefer Gortat than D12

I don't see why you DJ lovers are even considering it. You say DJ will be 10+/10 and a good defensive presence. DJ compliments BG a lot more and we can keep my Clipper favorite Bledsoe. He'll light it up next yr. That I'll bet on

ClipperSam
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Boomrizzle you are correct with one addition.

If a team acquires a player in a trade, they are allowed to trade that player straight-up for another individual player immediately. However, if they wish to package that player with another and make a trade, the team must wait 60 days before doing so. There is also a 48 hour allowance after receiving a traded player to trade him to a 3rd team with no restriction. It would be considered a 3 way trade if completed within 48 hours.

So after reading this. There is still a possibility that's the nets are going to trade Joe Johnson for Dwight with possibly another side transaction to complete the deal. If it happens. Which I think has a good chance of happening IMO. Remember that I have not heard this anywhere. So I believe I would be the first to bring this up.

clipperJM
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Atlanta is now a potential landing spot for DH12 and Cp3 next offseason, after this trade.

ClipperSam
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^ Not if Deron Williams signs. There is no way a team pays max contract to 2 PGs. So CP3 would never sign with the Nets unless D Williams signs with Dallas. On the other Hand for the Exception of BG and CP3 the Clippers should try to do everything they can to land D12.

clipperJM
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ClipperSam, yeah my bad, i edited my post. I meant Atlanta, now that Joe Johnson's contract has been cleared.

uncool
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Who is a landing spot?! Atl? I don't get the impression that CP3 would leave the whole team for Dwight...

uncool
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Who is a landing spot?! Atl? I don't get the impression that CP3 would leave the whole team for Dwight...

BringMcadooBackado
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^ Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan BFF <3

Ring a bell?

uncool
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What's that have to do w/ anything? are u saying CP3 & D12 are that close? Doubtful...

uncool
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What's that have to do w/ anything? are u saying CP3 & D12 are that close? Doubtful...

uncool
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What's that have to do w/ anything? are u saying CP3 & D12 are that close? Doubtful...

BringMcadooBackado
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Sorry, was in reference to older post.

The question was about whether or not Deandre would want to leave if the trade was on the table. I decided to be snarky.

-GeoffClankinsDaddy-
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sorry but 45 attempts is the record, your saying he went 0/45?

dumb

toohipcliptoslip
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As far as Howard he's simply not worth what we'd have to give up. DJ is going no where. See above stats. Bledsoe is the best bang for the buck maybe in the NBA. Half as good as Howard at 1/10 the price. We won't have the cap room to sign CP3

If our $10 mil center plays a bit better than Varajao (9.8) he'll do.

CP3Best
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No I ain't saying he was 0 for 45. Even I can make a HALFCOURT shot with so many chances much less a free throw! He was around 5 for 30 or something close not 40 my bad!

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you nee to start posting actual facts rather than just made up numbers that make your arguement sound better. go find the numbers from the game youre talking about and post those kid

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