This team is actually worse roster wise than it was last yr

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Klossthegoat
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No perimeter d and now no shooting.

They let Chris Paul punk them into resigning Billups who may never be the same. Cant believe they didnt go hard at Ray Allen with everything they had.

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Come on. Atleast wait till September or October before bashing the offseason work.

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we replaced randy foye with jamal crawford. i like to think that is a major upgrade. and we got lamar odom for mo williams who had no purpose on our team. the roster is looking a lot better if you ask me.

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Jamal Crawford can Shoot.

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So Ray is going to solve the perimeter defense. Wow! you haven't seen anything this year and you're already calling this out. Reggie and K mart couldn't make a ft to save their lives. This is better than most Clipper squads I've seen in years so you won't hear me bitchin about ****!

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clipperBryan32 wrote:
Klossthegoat wrote:
No perimeter d and now no shooting.

They let Chris Paul punk them into resigning Billups who may never be the same. Cant believe they didnt go hard at Ray Allen with everything they had.

Jamal Crawford can Shoot.

Ditto, on the shooting.

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Major upgrade? Foye shot better last yr. also better defender and passer

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No perimeter d and now no shooting.

They let Chris Paul punk them into resigning Billups who may never be the same. Cant believe they didnt go hard at Ray Allen with everything they had.

You're kdding right? Billups is already way ahead of rehab and that's what you need to get back from injuries: work. Allen can't defend to save his life and he can do is chuck up 3s. JCraw can get to the foul line and shot 94%. He can shoot at the end of shot clocks too! F*** off! This is a way better roster. We are gonna add one more big man, and that's all we needed.

Last year we had no backup center or power forward. We were stuck with Cook and Gomes and 4 damn pgs. We didn't even have an sg besides foye (unless you consider CB one) And this is a worse season? You don't know what you're saying!

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clipperBryan32 wrote:
Klossthegoat wrote:
No perimeter d and now no shooting.

They let Chris Paul punk them into resigning Billups who may never be the same. Cant believe they didnt go hard at Ray Allen with everything they had.

Jamal Crawford can Shoot.

Stats says he can't

LotsoHope
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This thread should be closed... this roster is most definitely an improvement over last season, in addition to the fact that we're expecting Billups to play the full season. Did we forget how huge he was when he was on the floor?

Jamal is an upgrade over Foye/Young, despite his deficiencies. Our bench is shaping up to be a starting lineup, more so if we re-sign Nick Young.

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I disagree with you. Crawford can shoot lights out. Allen, on the other hand, as much as I love the guy is headed for off-season ankle surgery. He has been unable to stay healthy the last couple of years. With the trades that the Clippers made, I think we patched up our biggest weakness from last year (our bench). Now coming off the bench you have Bledsoe, Odom, and Crawford.... That is dangerous!

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JCraw can't shoot agreed (that well) Plus Jamal is gonna be on the bench. He's gonna be the only one that can shoot so that's gonna make him shine. We should resign NY at the backup sf. That's a pretty big role with Butler being kinda fragile. Don't think Lakers can offer any bigger role or more money!

Klossthegoat
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Crawford is not a spot up shooter. And sux on d.

Foye is actually a better fit. Shoulda jus re-upped Young over this chucker

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jarca wrote:
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we replaced randy foye with jamal crawford. i like to think that is a major upgrade. and we got lamar odom for mo williams who had no purpose on our team. the roster is looking a lot better if you ask me.

Major upgrade? Foye shot better last yr. also better defender and passer

foye cant make a shot when you need one. Crawford can. he can create his own shot. and he can get to the foul line and make his fts. this is a big deal in the playoffs and in close games. also dont forget about all of the 4 pt plays crawford will give us.

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Lol if shooting 30 percent from 3 pt and 38 percent from the field is lights out then that means dj and Blake are lights out from the ft line

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Anyone who says that Jamal Crawford can't shoot/score is delusional. This guy has over five 50pt games in his career and I've never seen a player get more 4 point plays than him.

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jtwinnaz wrote:
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we replaced randy foye with jamal crawford. i like to think that is a major upgrade. and we got lamar odom for mo williams who had no purpose on our team. the roster is looking a lot better if you ask me.

Major upgrade? Foye shot better last yr. also better defender and passer

foye cant make a shot when you need one. Crawford can. he can create his own shot. and he can get to the foul line and make his fts. this is a big deal in the playoffs and in close games. also dont forget about all of the 4 pt plays crawford will give us.

You just described the Atlanta hawks Crawford. Last year he was none of those things you described. He was mostly iso player who would pull up against 2 defenders

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Any one who hotdog in the nba can put up good numbers don't mean they're good. Remember chucker al Thornton when half the board members think he'll be a 20ppg scorer

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"Crawford can shoot lights out"....please explain how you define "lights out"

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jarca wrote:
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Anyone who says that Jamal Crawford can't shoot/score is delusional. This guy has over five 50pt games in his career and I've never seen a player get more 4 point plays than him.

Any one who hotdog in the nba can put up good numbers don't mean they're good. Remember chucker al Thornton when half the board members think he'll be a 20ppg scorer

Anyone who thought Al Thornton was going to be a 20ppg scorer must be insane. He couldn't make a jumper if his life depended on it.

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You just described the Atlanta hawks Crawford. Last year he was none of those things you described. He was mostly iso player who would pull up against 2 defenders

What are you trying to say? he knew his role in ATL. It was his first season in Portland. he played inconsistent minutes and never knew when he would get his shot. Portland had one of their worst seasons last year with all of those injuries and a new head coach. Why do you think he left the Blazers after only 1 year? it was a bad fit and he wants to win. dont look at his last years numbers and judge him solely by that. look at Lamars numbers last year. are you going to judge him based on that one season as well?

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This is a better team than it was last year.

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Oh ok gotcha since he didn't know when he'll get his shots he just decided to shoot every time he touches the ball

Klossthegoat
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Tont Delk had a 50 pt game.

Foye and Nick Young together were better than this guy. And a 3yr deal, my god.

Crawford us great on losing teams. He dominated the ball and throws up horrible shots. He's not a winner.

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Usually guards number drops in late 30s so judgin crawfish based on his last yr stats are justified. There's only so few Steve Nash out there whose game seems to get better in his 30s.

tense2
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According to these clutch stats Crawford's not very good at the end of the clock and Allen has always been better in all offensive/defensive categories.

http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT11.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

Think you need to do a little better home work kid, it will help when you get to high school. wink

Paolo310
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Isn't JC only 32? would consider that late 30's.

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clipperBryan32 wrote:
Klossthegoat wrote:
No perimeter d and now no shooting.

They let Chris Paul punk them into resigning Billups who may never be the same. Cant believe they didnt go hard at Ray Allen with everything they had.

Jamal Crawford can Shoot.

He can shoot, he just can't make.

Paolo310
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We have 2 former sixth man of the year on our bench... isn't that a good thing?!?

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Paolo310 wrote:
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Usually guards number drops in late 30s so judgin crawfish based on his last yr stats are justified. There's only so few Steve Nash out there whose game seems to get better in his 30s.

Isn't JC only 32? would consider that late 30's.

I meant in their 30s guard production drops.

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tense2 wrote:
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You're kdding right? Billups is already way ahead of rehab and that's what you need to get back from injuries: work. Allen can't defend to save his life and he can do is chuck up 3s. JCraw can get to the foul line and shot 94%. He can shoot at the end of shot clocks too! F*** off! This is a way better roster. We are gonna add one more big man, and that's all we needed.

According to these clutch stats Crawford's not very good at the end of the clock and Allen has always been better in all offensive/defensive categories.

http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT11.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

Think you need to do a little better home work kid, it will help when you get to high school. wink

That's why kids need to stay in school

Clippers_FTW
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^^^^ this!!!! We have Jamal Crawford on our team now... Lets deal with it and support him.. at least until he does bad on "our" team. He hasnt ever played on the same team as Chris Paul.. take that into concideration.

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CP3/Bledsoe/Billups/Crawford is still the best backcourt in the NBA. People need to stop crying and being dramatic. Contract is 1-2 years too long but before criticizing let's see how the damn guy plays/fits. He will for the first time ever be playing with two all stars who both command nonstop doubles. I'll bet anybody here that his shooting percentages go up at least 5 percent from deep and the field.

My only complaint is that deal should have been 3 years tops, preferably 2. Obviously the Clippers got strong indications that Allen was signing with Heat or they wouldn't have made this decision and canceled with Allen. Also Lee was never realistic. The reason there is zero buzz about Lee and the Clippers right now for one main reason.

He wants more money than Clippers can offer.

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jarca wrote:
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You just described the Atlanta hawks Crawford. Last year he was none of those things you described. He was mostly iso player who would pull up against 2 defenders

What are you trying to say? he knew his role in ATL. It was his first season in Portland. he played inconsistent minutes and never knew when he would get his shot. Portland had one of their worst seasons last year with all of those injuries and a new head coach. Why do you think he left the Blazers after only 1 year? it was a bad fit and he wants to win. dont look at his last years numbers and judge him solely by that. look at Lamars numbers last year. are you going to judge him based on that one season as well?

Oh ok gotcha since he didn't know when he'll get his shots he just decided to shoot every time he touches the ball

I dont know if you have ever watched another team besides the clippers play ball. Maybe you are used to 24 second violations. its better to put up a shot then get a turnover. his shooting numbers were down because his back court mate was Raymond Felton and he was the backup point.. Chris Paul makes everyone around him better. he wont have to play point guard for this team. all he has to do is get open and take open shots. this is what mo williams did last year and he is getting less than half the money.

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We just gave a 32 year old a 4 year deal worth 25 million

That's what Courtney Lee wanted

Said 32 year old shot 38 percent last season and 31 percent from 3

This is a stupid move and anyone who thinks otherwise is just playing cheerleader and staying positive

I don't blame you guys because it's sure as hell a lot better than being stressed out like me right now

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He has also played on a lot of bad teams. Take into consideration that he might be the problem for all those bad teams.

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WHOA WHOA WHOA! Lois this is not my Batman mug.

Let's take a step back and chill the F out. 1 - Chauncey Billups is awesome and will provide defense, leadership and so many intangibles that most everyone else we could have signed, didn't have, including Ray Allen. Ray never ran the Point, Ray never made it to the Conference Finals like 7 years in a row. Ray was never the true leader of his team for like a decade who set the plays up.

I guess nobody here cares that a surgically repaired ACL is actually stronger than a non surgically repaired ACL. Chauncey has always taken great care of his body and the reason why he's so effective at this stage in his career is because of that reason. Great players always find a way to keep their careers going.

I am not thrilled about Crawford. But I do think that the guys in charge probably got a good idea that Ray Allen would have been a long shot for us, and it would be better to sign someone GOOD, rather than get nothing at all. Or flat out garbage. Crawford has always played on bad teams, and played on teams where it was a Me-First type offense. Yes his shooting percentages are low, but look at the first year he was on Atlanta, shot 44% from the floor, 38% from downtown and is a great FT shooter for his career.

Crawford gets assists, gets to the foul line, can spread the floor, run the offense etc etc. AND he knows what it's like to be a 6th man. Expect good things from Crawford this season. I'm bummed we didn't get Ray Allen but w/e we got 2 above average NBA players rather than signing people like Brian Cook, Randy Foye and Ryan Gomes to start/fill out the roster. Would you guys want those caliber type players on our team? Or would you want Chauncey and Jamal Crawford?

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Well... the more I think about it the happier I get. Crawford>Foye

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Is Crawford gettin a 4 or 3 year deal ?

I was wattching ESPN and they said it was only a 3 year deal

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Where is CP3Best getting his info on Billups being ready at the start of the season?

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Let's also not forget Ray Allen has had injuries throughout his career as well, and was seriously banged up the entire playoffs. How are we to know that Ray Allen would be or wouldn't be 100% by the start of the season?

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The Clippers needed a third scoring option now they got it.

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Non Injured Crawford>Injured Ray Allen

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hahahaha the mascot just knows. he might have read it on the bleacher report or something, hes young enough that he still believes everything he reads on the internet.

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Ok, I was reading around this site and multiple articles around the nba that CB is ahead of rehab. And also we are offering Crawford a 3 year deal with a four year option! That's reasonable to me. He does well we keep him one more year he doesn't we tell him to F off! He's a huge upgrade from Foye who was our STARTING sg and this guy's coming off the bench! Let's not be like the flkers and not be happy that not every superstar is on our team! We might even resign Young to be backup 3! This is a real good roster. Jcraw wasn't in a good environment as said^. I think he'll thrive here. Our FO isn't stupid don't diss every move they make! Especially when you look at all the angles such as bench Jcraw > Starter Foye!

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Billups got injured in what, January? February? That's about 8 months time to recover. There have been athletes that have beaten ACL time tables for recovery much sooner than that and performed rather well or the same. I fully expect Chauncey to be ready by the start of the regular season or by week 2.

Chauncey is determined and is a fighter. He'll work his a$$ off to be ready and to play. He wants to play, he wants to be here and you can tell he can't stand sitting on the bench doing nothing. This could be the last year he plays, or very close to it. Lots of guys want to get back out there and show everyone what they have before they hang it up for good.

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What he said^

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Also, Billups or Crawford > Randy Foye as a starting SG AND Randy Foye as a SG off the bench. Foye was effective at times but both of the guys we signed today are better than Foye is currently.

Too much love for certain players on our team when we either don't sign them or we trade them. Where the hell was all the love that Chauncey Billups was getting last season? How about the fact we were like a top 2 team in the West before he got hurt for the majority of time? Just because the idiots on Sportscenter say Chauncey may never be the same doesn't mean CRAP!

Amare Stoudemire and Jason Kidd both had microfracture surgery which is far worse than an ACL injury. They said they may suck balls or have to retire, I think they both are doing just fine arent they?

For the Foye lovers out there, Foye never shot over 39% for us from the field in the 2 years he was here. Foye shot 32 and 38% from 3pt land in his 2 years here. About half of his entire shots were 3pters and he basically made about 35% of them. That's awful.

Foye's best asset was his ability to knock down free throws. Every SG in the NBA has good games, even people like Tony Allen who are basically pure defense light up the scoreboard on certain nights. Crawford and Chauncey are terrific FT shooters, both pass better, both have won major awards, and both are considered light years better than Randy Foye whose stats have been padded the last 2 years with us because of injuries to starters.

Foye is gone, these 2 are here. Take it or leave it. If your that bummed then don't be a fan anymore. Pay 0 attention to Steve NAsh on the Lakers. Andrew Bynum could get injured again which is a high probability and their season could blow up right there.

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how can you even imagine randy foye being better...

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Sooooooo what are we doing to adrress our backup Center needs?

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