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Post subject: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
 Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 05:27 PM
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If the CLIPPERS can't get tehir hands on the likes of Michael Beasley or OJ Mayo......who should the CLIPPERS pursue..............
Ben Gordon? Drawback-To Short, not a great defender
Gilbert Arenas? What's his life span, how many more miles left?
Baron Davis? Same as Gilbert
Mike Miller? Great shooter, tall, but lacks defense |
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Post subject: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 07:20 PM
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| The Clippers need to pursue 3 guys with hispanic names: Jose Calderon, Juan Carlos Navarro & Carlos Arroyo. And try to get that one shooter that everyone was raving about last year at draft time (Rudy Fernandez). |
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Post subject: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 08:10 PM
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| I still want Gilbert. Although Kaman and Brand would have to be guarded by three people because they're so amazing, will leave someone open in the post! I think OJ would be an adeuqete replacement though. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 09:18 PM
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jlemmen43 wrote:
The Clippers need to pursue 3 guys with hispanic names: Jose Calderon, Juan Carlos Navarro & Carlos Arroyo. And try to get that one shooter that everyone was raving about last year at draft time (Rudy Fernandez).
None of these guys are shooters...if so, what is there point avg and shooting pctg?
They control the ball, bring it up court, penetrate, and direct the traffic.
Having one of those guys as a PG is fine, but still need a shooter that opens up the interior for EB or CK |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 10:29 PM
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| I agree with 714. The clips need someone like Caulderon. A pg that can shoot but is looking to get others involved first, not a trigger happy guard like Arenas. Two seasons ago the clips were successful because they put a pure shooter in Radmanovic, a good shooter Mobley, and floor general Cassell around brand and kaman. Thomas was suppose to be Radmanovic's replacement but he's never really flourished with the clips. get rid of thomas, he doesn't box out, he shows no passion, and doesn't care if he is winning or losing. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 12:22 AM
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Apparently Calderon is a restricted free agent, so it'd be tough to pry him off of the Raptor's hands unless a team offers him crazy $ and Toronto decides not to match.
Carlos Navarro (also a restricted FA) & Carlos Arroyo sound like solid options, and Beno Udrih might be even a better fit. Here is the 2008 NBA free agents list for everyone's reference:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... freeagents
Arenas, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Shawn Marion, and Jamison all sound interesting. If we do sign any of those guys then that pretty much means bye-bye Maggette. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 12:41 AM
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david wrote:
Apparently Calderon is a restricted free agent, so it'd be tough to pry him off of the Raptor's hands unless a team offers him crazy $ and Toronto decides not to match.
Carlos Navarro (also a restricted FA) & Carlos Arroyo sound like solid options, and Beno Udrih might be even a better fit. Here is the 2008 NBA free agents list for everyone's reference:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... freeagents
Arenas, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Shawn Marion, and Jamison all sound interesting. If we do sign any of those guys then that pretty much means bye-bye Maggette.
Man, would I love to have Beno Udrih on our team...good call David. I have been watching a few Sac games and I have to say he is what we need. The guy is relentless on offense and he can drive, pass, shoot the ball with skill. If it was up to me, I say go after him. I am not sure but didn't Dunleavy want to trade for him when he was in SA? Didn't Sterling veto the trade for Maggette?
If that was the case, I would have made the trade. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 06:16 AM
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clipperfan714 wrote:
jlemmen43 wrote:
The Clippers need to pursue 3 guys with hispanic names: Jose Calderon, Juan Carlos Navarro & Carlos Arroyo. And try to get that one shooter that everyone was raving about last year at draft time (Rudy Fernandez).
None of these guys are shooters...if so, what is there point avg and shooting pctg?
They control the ball, bring it up court, penetrate, and direct the traffic.
Having one of those guys as a PG is fine, but still need a shooter that opens up the interior for EB or CK
Let's see...Maybe Calderon is not a pure shooter but he's by far much better than Brevin Knight, QRoss,Livingston shooting...These are some stats about SHOOTING: (IMO Calderon will be resigned by the Raps because he's a fan favourite and he wants to remain as a Raptor)
Calderon
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.452)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.529)
About Navarro...He should be signed for 4$ million...other way he could return to Europe where he could make more money. He's having a difficult end of season because the Grizz are struggling as much as we do. Navarro could be a perfect microwave from the bench. Although he's a veteran rookie he's still learning how to play in NBA. He's very intelligent and I'm sure he will upgrade his level next year.
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(338.0)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(126.0)
Leads all rookies in these categories
And about Arroyo you are right that he's not a good shooter but better than our two PG's |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 10:58 AM
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clipper*joe wrote:
david wrote:
Apparently Calderon is a restricted free agent, so it'd be tough to pry him off of the Raptor's hands unless a team offers him crazy $ and Toronto decides not to match.
Carlos Navarro (also a restricted FA) & Carlos Arroyo sound like solid options, and Beno Udrih might be even a better fit. Here is the 2008 NBA free agents list for everyone's reference:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... freeagents
Arenas, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Shawn Marion, and Jamison all sound interesting. If we do sign any of those guys then that pretty much means bye-bye Maggette.
Man, would I love to have Beno Udrih on our team...good call David. I have been watching a few Sac games and I have to say he is what we need. The guy is relentless on offense and he can drive, pass, shoot the ball with skill. If it was up to me, I say go after him. I am not sure but didn't Dunleavy want to trade for him when he was in SA? Didn't Sterling veto the trade for Maggette?
If that was the case, I would have made the trade.
I think Dumbleavy wanted Udoka who is in San Antonio, but one of the GM's said no to the idea |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 11:00 AM
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| Does anybody know who will be an un-restricted free agent PG and SG ? |
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| I really like Jose, but he's restricted and the chances of Toronto letting him go seem slim. Other points available include Chris Duhon(ur), Juan Dixon(ur), Arroyo(ur), Baron Davis is unrestricted(!), Beno (ur) and my personal favorite, Louis Williams of Philly who is unfortunately restricted. I think that Williams is going to eventually be really good, but Beno looks like the top unrestricted guy. Or, there's the draft of course and the Rose, Bayless, Westbrook, Lawson, etc toss of the dice. As far as two guards some possibles are Ben Gordon(r), Juan Carlos Navarro(r), Agent Zero(ur) and again my favorite of the group, the Warriors' Monte Ellis who will be a restricted free agent. And of course in the draft there are a world of viable twos... with Eric Gordon of Indiana, OJ Mayo from USC, and Chase Budinger leading the pack. So ok. We've got a lottery pick coming, how high will depend on where our ping-pong ball falls. We'll have Sam's and maybe Corey's (?) money to bring in someone... so we'll fill our needs at one and two with quality players, or at least potentially so. It should be a really interesting off season. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 01:19 PM
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clipperfan714 wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
david wrote:
Apparently Calderon is a restricted free agent, so it'd be tough to pry him off of the Raptor's hands unless a team offers him crazy $ and Toronto decides not to match.
Carlos Navarro (also a restricted FA) & Carlos Arroyo sound like solid options, and Beno Udrih might be even a better fit. Here is the 2008 NBA free agents list for everyone's reference:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... freeagents
Arenas, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Shawn Marion, and Jamison all sound interesting. If we do sign any of those guys then that pretty much means bye-bye Maggette.
Man, would I love to have Beno Udrih on our team...good call David. I have been watching a few Sac games and I have to say he is what we need. The guy is relentless on offense and he can drive, pass, shoot the ball with skill. If it was up to me, I say go after him. I am not sure but didn't Dunleavy want to trade for him when he was in SA? Didn't Sterling veto the trade for Maggette?
If that was the case, I would have made the trade.
I think Dumbleavy wanted Udoka who is in San Antonio, but one of the GM's said no to the idea
Thanks for clearing it up 714. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 02:40 PM
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| Good call dwb- I think Louis Williams should be considered as well. As a point guard he's quick and can score- maybe a poor man's Monta Ellis. He certain has a lot to do with Philly's success lately. Unfortunately he's a restricted FA as well.... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
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I like the fact that we have the lottery picks this year (pending where Minnesota's lottery ball is) but I am hoping that CLIPPER nation, and management have the sense of urgency to want to win NOW with what he have, rather then building a team or starting all over with lottery picks.
The exception of that statement is unless you can get a dynamic young player that is a no brainer that has an unlimited upside (i.e. Beasley, Mayo, maybe Love or Hansborough etc)
The majority of the team that we have now is in their prime, and I just hope the management wants to win now, and pulls the trigger and shells out the cash in order to win now, and not 3-4 years down the road.
Did I say NOW enough!!!!! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
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david wrote:
Good call dwb- I think Louis Williams should be considered as well. As a point guard he's quick and can score- maybe a poor man's Monta Ellis. He certain has a lot to do with Philly's success lately. Unfortunately he's a restricted FA as well....
I agree with you guys about Louis Williams. I think he's a starting PG waiting for a chance. I forgot about Beno...he would be great here. Hopefully not a Marko Jaric, lol. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whom should the CLIPPERS pursue
Posted: Mar 20, 2008 - 10:40 AM
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| Potentially we will have enough money to sign one really good impact player or make a healthy offer to Maggette to return. They could also trade the Minney pick and our own to move up in the draft. Or the balls could bounce our way and we move up anyway, and Minny pick falls to 11. It easy to imagine who we would draft if we move up, but there are some great sleepers at PG that could be had with Minney's pick like Collison or Westbrook. We don't even as yet know how great Westbrook is going to be. He seems to get better every game. Watch him during the tournament, he is something special. |
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Posted: Mar 20, 2008 - 11:58 AM
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JamFan wrote:
Minny pick falls to 11.
Keep in mind given the lottery rules that if Minny finishes with the 3rd worst record, the worst they can draft is #6 (since they only draw lottery balls for the top 3 spots).
So Minny's pick cannot drop low enough this year to have LAC get it(unless they go on a big winning streak soon). |
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Posted: Mar 20, 2008 - 08:13 PM
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The question is should we sign Corey. I think not...if Ellis is worth pursuing at all costs. Thornton will be a more complete player nxt yr than Corey and is cheap. Where is the allstar? What's he gonna ask for $8.5?? Remember Sam's gone. Make GSW pay dearly for Ellis. $3.5?? Make the Raptors pay for Calderon. Is this worth tax?
Kayman ,Some combination Thomas Powell Davis
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Posted: Mar 20, 2008 - 11:33 PM
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| Yes, yes. Corey has been the high point of this season. he keeps us competitive in nearly every game. It's worth it for sure. Calderon and Ellis , I dont think so. |
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| I have a problem keeping Corey. First we're going to have to promise EB something to keep him from going east. I don't think he's going to stay for a rebuilding year. Corey's streaky. His jumper doesn't work a lot. We need two monster guards, one or both to be shooters to be competetive. While it's debatable who's gonna be better nxt yr, CM or Al (my bet) both are quality players. We can win with both But if you factor talent divided by money Al wins hands down. That gives enough cap space to pursue two REAL good players. I think Ellis is cheap at the price. We'd have a bank load for a good PG esp for those who like Arenas. With this scenario, I think if you rate talent at 1-10 and sum up what we could have with Corey and without, I think it's Good bye #50 I don't think lottery picks although they're important won't keep EB. |
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Posted: Mar 21, 2008 - 02:14 AM
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| the clippers should pursue shawn marion or gilbert arenas |
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Rjones13LAL wrote:
the clippers should pursue shawn marion or gilbert arenas
Nah, maybe you guys should take them. Out of both of them, i would take Marion more for his hustle on defense but the price is too high. |
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Posted: Mar 21, 2008 - 11:12 AM
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| If we can do a sign and trade, send Corey and filler to the Wizards for Arenas, then the numbers work better for us. The reason you get Arenas is he is a bonifide star, a potential top 5 scorer in the NBA (Hek he possibly could win the scoring title) and most importantly, in the last two minutes of a close game, he can do what Kobe does, take over and win the game for you. You can not put a price on that. In the last century, the Clippers biggest problem is that when they are close enough to win, they can not finish. Arenas can finish. So, if you want to win ball games, find a way to bring Agent Zero here. Arenas, Brand, Kaman, Thorton, OJ. Man, somebody punch me I must be dreaming....... |
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