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Clippersfan86
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This is a thread so that when the Clippers are much improved this year... all of you can come in and apologize for overreacting, badmouthing the franchise and complaining at an extreme level.

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Added the two main complaint threads so you guys can look back on it. I'm telling everybody on this forum right now. Team will be much improved in all facets if they can stay pretty healthy. Young guys will improve, chemistry will improve and Crawford and Odom will help big time.

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That's fair.

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We get a little taste of success and guys start acting like laker fans.

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My point. I understand this isn't ideal but people acting like this is the end of the world... reminds me of how Lakers fans act when they don't get their way. This is a good way for everybody to look back and relax in a couple months.

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the team will be good, just not great enough to get us to the next level. that's not being debbie downer, just a bit realistic.

that being said, ill be in vegas this month investing in a futures bet for the clips to win the ring next year. 30/1 odds.

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This front office suck.

I hpe Blake doesnt sign right away. Make these dullards sweat.

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I really don't know why people here are so in love with Courtney Lee.... what has the guy ever done? ..if he was so good then why hasnt anyone signed him already????..... Chillax people, if CP3 recruited Crawford then im good with that, according to many here CP3 is the real brains behind the scenes and if he thinks Crawford can help then im all for it.. ill take CP3's basketball knowledge over any poster here anyday.

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We will have a big 4 with DJ coming improved and CB kicking a$$! Can't wait! Our bench right now is better than the damn Charlotte STARTING lineup! FO made good moves!

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He already made a verbal commitment. It's happening in 6 days.

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Some of the people on here are making laker fans actually look more credible. Opinion's one thing, but when you have people acting like they know more than they really do... It's sad, but hilarious!

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clippers are gonna be good this year, we have so much more depth this year, we have 2 of the past 3 SIXTH MEN OF THE YEAR AWARD winner on our bench. Everyone is acting like our offseason is over. we might get some players for a bargain you wouldnt expect.

i heard somewhere the clippers are still looking at getting ray allen in a sign and trade for nick young(if it were to happen, bet it would shut every1 up)

heck if they are trying to sign and trade nick young, (how about nick young and butler for andre iguodala, then we can have a big 3 )

MY POINT IS: there are still so many more possibilities this off season

we have:

-trade exception

-possible sign and trade in nick young or resign

  • we have bi-annual exception

-and veteran player for the minimum

  • we have gomes expiring contract (which we can use in a trade or we can amnesty him)
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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This front office suck.

I hpe Blake doesnt sign right away. Make these dullards sweat.

He already made a verbal commitment. It's happening in 6 days.

I hope so. Boozer also made a verbal commitment back in the day and we all know how that one went.

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I just want to point out that at least some of the people doing the negative posting lately have been that way for years. They haven't been spoiled by last year's success - they just continually complain regardless of whether we're good or we suck.

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Not tryin to diss you but I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw this. This thread comes from you who notoriously claimed to quit watching clippers game en route to our best regular season ever. You've thrown every player under the bus including cp3 often wondering if he's a bad fit for this team. I just find this thread very very amusing

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Can't even compare the two but can't expect you to remain logical since you're leading this lame "Clippers are screwed!!!!" charge. Me getting angry about certain players or the team playing like trash is something that's happening after it actually happens. You're crying and pouting before you even know what's going to happen. BIG BIG difference my friend.

I'm all for you complaining when you see Crawford chucking etc but to be so dramatic BEFORE you even see a single game? Talk about jumping the gun. I'm well aware of the fact that my passion goes way too far sometimes but never before have I acted like you are BEFORE I even try something or see something first hand. During the games you bet your ass I'm going to call players out if they play like garbage and sometimes as sports fans we go too far with that.

As for me talking about taking breaks... that's for my own mental well being and after 15 years as a fan I deserve those now and again. The team was very very frustrating to watch last year at times and I'm sure many can attest to that.

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What's fun about limiting your posts to just gushing about how good you think someone fits or how well we'll play? Especially when you don't feel that way to begin with.

No one listened to Paula Abdul on American Idol.

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I'm not saying people should be celebrating this. Like any trade/signing you'll have a split fanbase usually. All I'm saying is.... the "Clippers are screwed!!" "Trash player!!" "Terrible signing" etc talk is SO SO premature it's not even funny. How about you give it a month into the season and maybe you'll come around on Crawford and even all of the changes the front office made? Maybe Odom has a serious resurgence and you guys feel good about that? Just keep a positive and open minded approach.

I don't even get bothered by people saying they hate the signing... it's more the "Clippers are doomed" junk I hate.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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Not tryin to diss you but I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw this. This thread comes from you who notoriously claimed to quit watching clippers game en route to our best regular season ever. You've thrown every player under the bus including cp3 often wondering if he's a bad fit for this team. I just find this thread very very amusing

Can't even compare the two but can't expect you to remain logical since you're leading this lame "Clippers are screwed!!!!" charge. Me getting angry about certain players or the team playing like trash is something that's happening after it actually happens. You're crying and pouting before you even know what's going to happen. BIG BIG difference my friend.

I'm all for you complaining when you see Crawford chucking etc but to be so dramatic BEFORE you even see a single game? Talk about jumping the gun. I'm well aware of the fact that my passion goes way too far sometimes but never before have I acted like you are BEFORE I even try something or see something first hand. During the games you bet your ass I'm going to call players out if they play like garbage and sometimes as sports fans we go too far with that.

As for me talking about taking breaks... that's for my own mental well being and after 15 years as a fan I deserve those now and again. The team was very very frustrating to watch last year at times and I'm sure many can attest to that.

Of course it's comparable. I think it's funny that the most emotional poster is gettin mad at other posters for being guess what? Emotional lol

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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What's fun about limiting your posts to just gushing about how good you think someone fits or how well we'll play? Especially when you don't feel that way to begin with.

No one listened to Paula Abdul on American Idol.

I'm not saying people should be celebrating this. Like any trade/signing you'll have a split fanbase usually. All I'm saying is.... the "Clippers are screwed!!" "Trash player!!" "Terrible signing" etc talk is SO SO premature it's not even funny. How about you give it a month into the season and maybe you'll come around on Crawford and even all of the changes the front office made? Maybe Odom has a serious resurgence and you guys feel good about that? Just keep a positive and open minded approach.

If the negative talk is premature, the same goes for the positive talk.

Every preseason there's a grip of posters that bash any media that says anything remotely negative about us, saying they're ignorant, biased, haters, etc. then posters follow up by saying we're gonna win 60 games that year only to realize the analyst (usually hollinger) was just spitting a more realistic POV all along.

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jarca wrote:
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Not tryin to diss you but I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw this. This thread comes from you who notoriously claimed to quit watching clippers game en route to our best regular season ever. You've thrown every player under the bus including cp3 often wondering if he's a bad fit for this team. I just find this thread very very amusing

Can't even compare the two but can't expect you to remain logical since you're leading this lame "Clippers are screwed!!!!" charge. Me getting angry about certain players or the team playing like trash is something that's happening after it actually happens. You're crying and pouting before you even know what's going to happen. BIG BIG difference my friend.

I'm all for you complaining when you see Crawford chucking etc but to be so dramatic BEFORE you even see a single game? Talk about jumping the gun. I'm well aware of the fact that my passion goes way too far sometimes but never before have I acted like you are BEFORE I even try something or see something first hand. During the games you bet your ass I'm going to call players out if they play like garbage and sometimes as sports fans we go too far with that.

As for me talking about taking breaks... that's for my own mental well being and after 15 years as a fan I deserve those now and again. The team was very very frustrating to watch last year at times and I'm sure many can attest to that.

Of course it's comparable. I think it's funny that the most emotional poster is gettin mad at other posters for being guess what? Emotional lol

As I said.... one is justifiable the other isn't. If you're going off on Crawford because he IS jacking up shots, I wouldn't say a word because as you said, I do the same thing. You tearing apart the team you're a fan off and a player before you see a single game though is pathetic, I'm sorry.

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The main purpose of this Forum is giving all fans the opportunity to say "Great" or "Squat" or "Oh Cra..p." Everybody has an opinion and as long as you are civil about it, this is the place to say "Deal....or no Deal."

So lets sum it up.

So far we have lost Nick Young, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Bobbie Simmons, Reggie Evans, and Kenyon Martin. 6 players we relied on.

So far we have have added Jamal Crawford and Lamar Odom. 2 players who might be able to help.

There is no compelling argument that we have improved ourselves. We might be Ok. Only the regular season will tell us that. But there is plenty of room here for many fans to be skeptical. And if the skeptics are wrong, no need to apologize. Even though we seem to have blown all the money we have available, there might still be one or two more signings that will make a difference.

One thing for sure, we the ball is tossed up in the air next season, we will be all saying "GO CLIPPERS!"

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ekker3 wrote:
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What's fun about limiting your posts to just gushing about how good you think someone fits or how well we'll play? Especially when you don't feel that way to begin with.

No one listened to Paula Abdul on American Idol.

I'm not saying people should be celebrating this. Like any trade/signing you'll have a split fanbase usually. All I'm saying is.... the "Clippers are screwed!!" "Trash player!!" "Terrible signing" etc talk is SO SO premature it's not even funny. How about you give it a month into the season and maybe you'll come around on Crawford and even all of the changes the front office made? Maybe Odom has a serious resurgence and you guys feel good about that? Just keep a positive and open minded approach.

If the negative talk is premature, the same goes for the positive talk.

Every preseason there's a grip of posters that bash any media that says anything remotely negative about us, saying they're ignorant, biased, haters, etc. then posters follow up by saying we're gonna win 60 games that year only to realize the analyst (usually hollinger) was just spitting a more realistic POV all along.

Nobody here is celebrating this signing hardcore so that doesn't apply. There are two parties right now..

  1. The group I'm in that feels this signing is solid or okay but nothing special. Could be worse.

  2. The second group you and Jarca are in today where the Clippers failed miserably, Crawford is trash, Clippers are screwed going forward etc.

I have yet to see a single poster today saying "OMG YES!!! WE GOT CRAWFORD!" etc.

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Lost 6 players - Added 2 players - And we seem to be out of money - If we have injuries to key players, who is going to back them up. Injuries will happen.

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JamFan wrote:
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So lets sum it up.

So far we have lost Nick Young, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Bobbie Simmons, Reggie Evans, and Kenyon Martin. 6 players we relied on.

So far we have have added Jamal Crawford and Lamar Odom. 2 players who might be able to help.

There is no compelling argument that we have improved ourselves. We might be Ok. Only the regular season will tell us that. But there is plenty of room here for many fans to be skeptical. And if the skeptics are wrong, no need to apologize. Even though we seem to have blown all the money we have available, there might still be one or two more signings that will make a difference.

One thing for sure, we the ball is tossed up in the air next season, we will be all saying "GO CLIPPERS!"

Lost 6 players - Added 2

Clippers will likely add two more. Besides Odom+Crawford+Hollins>>>Young+Foye+Evans. Kmart was negligible outside of some good D here and there.

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Oh please I've seen Crawford enough to make a judgement. Doesn't mean imma root for the clippers to fail. Beside what's more pathetic than questioning cp3 importance in this team and wanting dwill or rondo to run this team. Talk about being an ingrate lakers fans huh?

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Deron Williams or Rondo being a better fit is a legit question any non Clippers fan may ask. Nothing about that is too far fetched. I HAVE wondered if a more aggressive PG like Deron would be better but I'm ALWAYS going to think about what's best for the team before I worry about a player in that context. If Crawford is stinking it up.. you bet I'll talk about who may fit better. CP3 was going through a very passive, rough stretch when I had that discussion.

You've seen Crawford in other situations doesn't mean jack ****. I've seen Nick Young on the Wizards too and he was a different player here. Point is some of us are actually happy and excited about next year and don't need negativity about how the franchise is doomed (your words) flooding the boards. You have a right to your opinion but please don't weigh us down with negativity man. There is a lot to be excited about right now.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
JamFan wrote:
JamFan wrote:

So lets sum it up.

So far we have lost Nick Young, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Bobbie Simmons, Reggie Evans, and Kenyon Martin. 6 players we relied on.

So far we have have added Jamal Crawford and Lamar Odom. 2 players who might be able to help.

There is no compelling argument that we have improved ourselves. We might be Ok. Only the regular season will tell us that. But there is plenty of room here for many fans to be skeptical. And if the skeptics are wrong, no need to apologize. Even though we seem to have blown all the money we have available, there might still be one or two more signings that will make a difference.

One thing for sure, we the ball is tossed up in the air next season, we will be all saying "GO CLIPPERS!"

Lost 6 players - Added 2

Clippers will likely add two more. Besides Odom+Crawford+Hollins>>>Young+Foye+Evans. Kmart was negligible outside of some good D here and there.

I just checked and I can't find any report that Hollins is in the bank yet and we are already over the cap. So, we are as of this moment down 4 players. There are still some moves they can make, like sign and trades, but it gets harder from here to make any more substantial improvements.

my only point was there is plenty of room for some fans to be upset and skeptical about our progress.

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Hollins is a minimum contract according to reports. Be upset and skeptical all you want but PLEASE refrain from moronic comments about the Clippers impending doom and how screwed they are (not saying this to you Jam). People can be mad all they want... but no need to flood the board with that level of negativity.

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ekker3 wrote:
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He already made a verbal commitment. It's happening in 6 days.

I hope so. Boozer also made a verbal commitment back in the day and we all know how that one went.

except Blake Griffin has to play out his qualifying offer after next season is over. Boozer made his promise in his qualifying offer year.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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He already made a verbal commitment. It's happening in 6 days.

I hope so. Boozer also made a verbal commitment back in the day and we all know how that one went.

except Blake Griffin has to play out his qualifying offer after next season is over. Boozer made his promise in his qualifying offer year.

Are we really comparing Blake to Boozer? Boozer doesn't have the same impact to his team as Blake does. Does Boozer really attract FA's to his team? WOWZER!

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I hope they find a way to sign an adequate backup center. If that is Hollins, fine. On the other hand, we still need one more shooter. Chauncey is coming back, but Lamar and JC are not pure outside shooters. So, we are still one player away.... a guy who can really shoot it from 3. If we do not find that player, we will be a lot worse from the outside than we were last year. You can bank on that. Our best outside shooters, Williams, Foye, and Young are gone. So far, we have not signed one bonifide outside shooter.

Crawford shot 30% from the 3 last year.

Odom is a 31% career from the 3 and shot 25% last season.

Where is the outside shooting going to come from to replace what we lost? Where?

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From the 3:

Foye 40%

Williams 39%

Young 37%

So far those players are not returning.

Crawford 31%

Odom 25%

These are our new shooters???

Paul 37%

Bledsoe 20%

Butler 35%

Returning players

My math says our shooting abilities have gone downhill. What does your math say?

BTW, I dont get mad or excited about these things. But I do get concerned. I'm praying for the next move that brings us another shooter.

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Jamal Crawford can put the ball on the floor and so can LO. When there's nothing going for our offense, both those guys can create shots for themselves. That's where we struggled a lot last year and I'm sick and tired of Foye holding the ball till there's about 2 secs. left on the shot clock.

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Jam on paper yes... we got worse shooting wise. We also should be better in other ways though too and there is zero way we can predict improvements/declines of players etc simply by adding and subtracting players. If let's say Bledsoe improves his 3 point shooting a ton, Crawford bounces back to mid-high 30's percentage and CP3+Butler get back to the 40 percent area they were at first month or two of season we can be just as good in that regard. Too soon to tell.

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Paolo310 wrote:
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From the 3:

Foye 40%

Williams 39%

Young 37%

So far those players are not returning.

Crawford 31%

Odom 25%

These are our new shooters???

Paul 37%

Bledsoe 20%

Butler 35%

Returning players

My math says our shooting abilities have gone downhill. What does your math say?

BTW, I dont get mad or excited about these things. But I do get concerned. I'm praying for the next move that brings us another shooter.

Jamal Crawford can put the ball on the floor and so can LO. When there's nothing going for our offense, both those guys can create shots for themselves. That's where we struggled a lot last year and I'm sick and tired of Foye holding the ball till there's about 2 secs. left on the shot clock.

Yup. Both create offense for themselves and teammates which Foye+Mo couldn't do.

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But the Clippers strategy was to have great outside shooters to spread the floor for Blake. Can't spread the floor with outside shooters putting up bricks. They were going to actually improve our outside shooting. The math is not there. It's is ok to say we are going to go with a different strategy. But I have been around long enough to remember the teams that had players like Maggette who could drive to the hoop, but we didn't have enough outside shooters and all of those teams floundered.

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Believe you should use their LT 3pt% which is a better indicator of what they might shoot....and look who Odom is replacing...Kenton Martin and Reggie not exactly 3 pt sharp shooters.

Not as bad as you make it out to be.

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When you can't shoot from the ouside, teams will sag on you and dare you to shoot. When they sag, and zone, Blake's job will actually be harder than it was last year. And the guys like Crawford and Lamar whom we think are going to try to drive, will be driving into a wall around the basket.

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Jam fan we were playing against our strengths anyways. If this makes the Clippers better passers, more aggressive scoring INSIDE the 3 point line and playing more D I'm all for that. I don't care if there is a drop in 3 point shooting.

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Do the math, tell me how this team is going to shoot better with our new roster. Our best 3 outside shooters are gone. Wishful thinking is great, but it is still just dreaming. Every coach will look at the numbers and know exactly how to defend against our current lineup.

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This! unless crawfish transformed into a spot up shooter and bledsoe improve his range. All of our new acquisition cant shoot. odom is versatile but doesnt change the fact that he cant shoot

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Our strength is inside and not to mention CP3 can adapt to anything the defense throws at us. JC and LO will be coming the bench which means we'll have almost like a 2 headed monster type game to throw at teams. Let's make teams adjust to what we throw at them instead of worrying so much about what their game plan is. Vinny should look to control the pace of the game and be more aggressive offensively.

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Great. Then as the opposing coach, I will zone and sag and make your life miserable trying to accomplish all of that. My defense will be successful because you can not hit outside shots consistantly. I will sag and take away your best offense. You will have to beat me with that which you can not do well.

We have had lots of teams in the past who could do just what you said, but couldn't shoot from the outside. We went nowhere with those teams. Last year was the first year in a long time where we had a lot of good shooters, and we had the best season ever.

But lets go away from what worked and do what has failed Clipper teams in the past. That's the ticket.

Got to run guys, I will join the discussion later.

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ny and gomes can still be moved. in the case of young, id love to keep the guy. but if he wants more money S&T him along with gomes for ilyasova. people want shooters right? ilyasova shot 45 percent from 3. then sign hollins or mahinmi and look for a sharpshooter from 3. idk if we could make that trade but it would be worth a shot.

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@bullterrierclipsfan1349

No, not Ilyasova (we have Odom and cant afford him even through s/t)

Mbah a Moute is the guy they should go after. He's an elite defender and would be the perfect backup at the 3 (I'd even start him).

Question is, would the bucks even be interested? But if there's a chance, the clippers should go after a guy like that. Who guards KD in the WCF? This guy.

If the clippers were somehow able to land him, then having Ryan Hollins as a backup center isn't a big deal.

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CP3, Billups, Butler, Crawford... Any coach who gives those guys the room to shoot uncontested treys won't be a coach for long. Sure, we're not the '06 Suns, but we have enough weapons from deep to keep a defense honest... and we're likely not done yet.

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Good idea Clipfan86 but people will continue to go off on anything around here. It's just the way the site has changed. Ekker if people offered a realistic perspective that would be great. Nowadays the ideas that are brought up are just totally crazy. I guess whatever floats the boats of people around here, more power to them.

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klossthegoat/meohmy23 will always be here to piss us off.

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Glad this thread is up and it's true, some the fans (the banwagoners) have a lot of trash to talk about the Clippers. Since I've been a fan (2004) I've stuck by this team. I didn't know why but I loved them all of them. Except of course the Epic B**** you guys know who I'm talking about. Just watching this last season has made me so f***ing happy. We're finally a winning team. Of course I'm disappointed that we got knocked out in the second road but s*** I'll take that for the little time the team got to practice together, the little time they got to get to know each other. We over achieved and got further than many people thought. Now what can we do with a WHOLE off season? Become an elite f***ing team that's what. I'm calling it now. LAC vs LAL second round, Clips take em out. Move on to the third round, LAC vs OKC and I'll leave it at that. Be happy you guys we've gotten to the next level, now it's time for us to be as supportive and rambunctious as we were with the old Clips. Rise up? F*** that, we've RISEN!

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Consequences of a growing fanbase Embarassed . Now everybody bitches about EVERYTHING that happens. Literally if we hire the assistant coach they didn't want they will burn the Clippers down with talk of how we are doomed and trash. I'm glad expectations have been raised but people need to stay at least somewhat grounded.

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