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In fact, looking at his stats some years ago he had 8,8ppg / 5,2rpg / 2bpg in 24mpg. If we take DJ at 24mpg 2 years ago we get...7,1 / 7,2 / 1,8. To sum up - pretty much equally mediocre!

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Some of these posters are a joke. The guy can be had for the veteran's minimum, CHEAP!!! Even if he flops it's a low risk situation. Yeah he's got his flaws, but so does everyone that can be had for that cheap.

As a backup and for his price, I'd do it!

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I think he felt a little sorry he said all that sht at the end of the interview with the f*** bombs!

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You can't satisfied everyone here.

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No he's not, lol.

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Once again a player's name is overriding his lack of skill on the hardwood. Former #2 overall draft pick, who has long since proven time and time again he's a clear cut bust draft pick is not someone Clipper fans should be excited for.

Darko's best quality is his ability to block shots. However, he's a clear cut Euro Center who doesn't play around the basket and is more of a finesse Center. He takes mid range shots, turnaround jumpers and has little post game at all. He has a huge lack of rebounding ability and is a serious injury risk never playing 82 games in his 9 year career. Came close with 1 80 game season. He averages just a hair over 50 total games played a season.

His lifetime FG% is like 46%, he shoots under 60% from the foul line. Those aren't good numbers I'd be wanting if I were to want his services as a backup on my team, what with the way everyone here is talking about him.

He's a big body and I wouldn't mind seeing him play garbage minutes for us, but as for people being so hyped up about Darko, let's not get ahead of ourselves like the Pistons were in the 2003 draft when they passed on names like Wade, Anthony, Bosh and even guys like Hinrich, Kaman etc.

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Take Hollins people. We need someone that can knock down fts!

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Hollins is a solid player. Shoots 55% from the floor career, 65% from the FTL and is a good size for a C. Both Milicic or Hollins wouldn't be getting big minutes I'd imagine, word is that Trey Thompkins is in pretty good shape and should be looked upon to do more than play garbage minutes this year.

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We would insert Odom at the 3 and Trey at the, that's why we're looking more at a C than an sf!

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He's better than DJ too.

No he's not, lol.

So, you think my statement is laughable?

Is Darko as good as a fading K-mart? It was K-mart at the minimum salary who was playing the key fourth quarter minutes not DJ and his 10-million a year...

Darko is big, strong and a solid position defender... If we get him I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's the one playing in the fourth with the game on the line...

To say someone is better than DJ is not heresy. DJ has tons and tons left to prove.

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He's better than DJ too.

No he's not, lol.

So, you think my statement is laughable?

Is Darko as good as a fading K-mart? It was K-mart at the minimum salary who was playing the key fourth quarter minutes not DJ and his 10-million a year...

Darko is big, strong and a solid position defender... If we get him I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's the one playing in the fourth with the game on the line...

To say someone is better than DJ is not heresy. DJ has tons and tons left to prove.

You can say anything you want....just back it up with numbers is what I say. He needs to improve as does most young players, but he's better than Darko right now.

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Milicic can't make fts so he is useless!

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i agree. some people think just cuz hes not a great ft shooter he's useless. lmao. we arent looking for a goddamn starting center. we are looking for a backup. thats it. darko is a solid defender who wont be afraid to play physical can block shots and give u a solid 10 to 15 minutes on the court. he is indeed better than hollins but ill take hollins as well. if u can have darko or hollins for cheap u do it. some people think whoever we get has to play in the 4th for dj. thats the wrong train of thought. the clippers have to try to develop dj and make him earn his 11 million dollars. he has the tools, just needs the coaching. again center is not the focal point of our offense but his defense is. if dj averages 9 to 10 ppg but grabs 10 to 13 rebounds per game and blocks shots without committing silly fouls or getting lost on defense none of you could tell me with a straight face that u wouldnt take those numbers. i think those numbers are realistic and achievable. thats why getting darko or hollins to backup dj will be more than good enough.

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I want Hollins!

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Do not hire any FreethrowNOs!!! Hollins is the choice.

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SamMays wrote:
tense2 wrote:
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He's better than DJ too.

No he's not, lol.

So, you think my statement is laughable?

Is Darko as good as a fading K-mart? It was K-mart at the minimum salary who was playing the key fourth quarter minutes not DJ and his 10-million a year...

Darko is big, strong and a solid position defender... If we get him I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's the one playing in the fourth with the game on the line...

To say someone is better than DJ is not heresy. DJ has tons and tons left to prove.

a fading k mart has alot of veteran savvy and a great defender. he had alot of things that darko could never bring. I think I'd take a fading k mart over Darko.

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Dollar for dollar...No, he isn't.

In their only match up where both players started, here are the numbers:

Darko- 22pts / 7 boards/ 3 blocks/ 3 TO's

DJ- 2pts/ 11 boards/ 4 blocks/ 4 TO's.

based on the surface ( year end stats), yeah, DJ edges Darko. But when you take the pay scale, role on the team, how they score into consideration, Darko is the more skilled player. When you look at the match up, Darko schools DJ. Darko has always schooled DJ. Defense is supposed to be DJ's asset yet when you look at the numbers, you have to wonder.

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darkos a perfect back up, I'd rather start him then dj, with cp he'll be a solid 12 and 10 every night

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Darko would be a very nice backup center.

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10 rebounds a game. Have you ever seen Darko play?

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clipper*joe wrote:
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You can say anything you want....just back it up with numbers is what I say. He needs to improve as does most young players, but he's better than Darko right now.

Dollar for dollar...No, he isn't.

In their only match up where both players started, here are the numbers:

Darko- 22pts / 7 boards/ 3 blocks/ 3 TO's

DJ- 2pts/ 11 boards/ 4 blocks/ 4 TO's.

based on the surface ( year end stats), yeah, DJ edges Darko. But when you take the pay scale, role on the team, how they score into consideration, Darko is the more skilled player. When you look at the match up, Darko schools DJ. Darko has always schooled DJ. Defense is supposed to be DJ's asset yet when you look at the numbers, you have to wonder.

All I can do is Smile....There is a reason why Minny let him go via the amnesty route and no one claim/bid on him.

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a few posts ago you said haddadi was the combination of both darko and hollins and that he was better than both of them based on a per minute comparison and now u want hollins? just checking kid.

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Get this done FO!

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This to me would be the final move that would put us over the top. Darko has great size and is more offensively gifted than DJ. Do you guys remember when he had like his season high against us last season?

If not we need another big (Center not PF) and we will be set. Why cant the season start already agaiN! hhaa

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Darko will push DJ, for sure.

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Yep exactly what Dj needs someone who will push him.

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Of course that's all you can do....When you can't refute the stats. You seem to always want to put up stats as the be all end all in a conversation so why not refute the stats?

Dollar for dollar, Darko produces more as a role player vs. DJ in a starting role. Darko has had some of his best games against DJ and the stats verify that. I guess laughing at something you can't refute is all one can do.

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The problem with Darko is you never know if he is going to play hard or just go through the motions. He has the ability to be a really good player but he does not have the heart to put in the effort.

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I just hope we get an actual 7 footer.

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Agreed that he can often go through the motions, but I think having vets like CP3, Billups, Hill, etc. will make him play at a more consistently higher level.

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ohMEohMy! wrote:
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The problem with Darko is you never know if he is going to play hard or just go through the motions. He has the ability to be a really good player but he does not have the heart to put in the effort.

Agreed that he can often go through the motions, but I think having vets like CP3, Billups, Hill, etc. will make him play at a more consistently higher level.

That is what Detroit, Orlando, Memphis, New York and Minnesota said.

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It will be hard for us to get Darko, Miami's tryna get him and Pat Riley is a helluva sales pitchman.

If our FO can get darko to sign with us over Miami, that is a big step for our franchise.

Also Chicago and Brooklyn in the mix.

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All I can do is Smile....There is a reason why Minny let him go via the amnesty route and no one claim/bid on him.

Of course that's all you can do....When you can't refute the stats. You seem to always want to put up stats as the be all end all in a conversation so why not refute the stats?

Dollar for dollar, Darko produces more as a role player vs. DJ in a starting role. Darko has had some of his best games against DJ and the stats verify that. I guess laughing at something you can't refute is all one can do.

Not disputing the match ups between the two, I'm talking about who's the better player through out the season(s). Look at ALL the advance numbers is all I say. You refute stats all the time when they don't correspond with your perception, lol.

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This would be a waste.

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Why? Do you not think we need a quality, back-up C?

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^ it looks to me that the lakers are about to upgrade from Bynum to D12. There also looking to sign a now healthy 33 yrs old Jermaine Oneal. Bynum or D12 are both much better than DJ. Jermaine is also much stronger and better than Darko. Darko was a horrible pick by Detroit in 2003. While he has improved. He is still a very weak center. He has very limited skills. I would much rather have Oden. Like some one posted low risk and a high return. Greg Oden has the ability to gaurd both D12 and Bynum if Healthy he would be a monster.

If not I would give Haddadi a chance. The man hasn't played much because of playing behind a All Star in Gasol. He might not be good. But he was learning. Has a much brighter upside than Darko. Darko will be a huge mistake. Let's not for get the Lakers also picked up Antwan Jamison. The guy is a beast at the PF position. It looks like the lakers bench will be Completly different. There bench might be Similar to ours once there done. We will have a difficult time beating the lakers. Unless we get a true big or 2.

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Again, you tend to set up the stats based on your arguments. You used the money vs. stats on Crawford. You associated the money you thought he would get to his production. I am using that same argument when I compare DJ and Darko. Dollar for Dollar, Darko is a way better option when you look at basic stats, matchups, and the way each player is utilized.

You like to use advance stats that can easily be refuted or explained ,not because it doesn't correspond to my perception, but because there are elements of stats that don't show up on a stat, especially advanced stats that DO NOT CORRESPOND, OR ARE NOT RECOGNIZED by the NBA.

Darko is player that creates his PPG. DJ is a player that is usually assisted on a high percentage shot that doesn't show up on a stat, but anyone watching knows that to be the truth. That is one example on why those advance stats are very black and white.

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Heard Brooklyn is close to signing Nazr Mohammed.So we might be able to remove them from the list soon.I think Bulls and Heat are more likely to sign him since the Bulls might lose Omer Asik,they might really go after Darko and since the Heat are the defending champs I could see him wanting to be there especially since he could be their starter.

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^ I think Joey Anthony still starts, he knows the system and you need to keep consistency.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Not disputing the match ups between the two, I'm talking about who's the better player through out the season(s). Look at ALL the advance numbers is all I say. You refute stats all the time when they don't correspond with your perception, lol.

Again, you tend to set up the stats based on your arguments. You used the money vs. stats on Crawford. You associated the money you thought he would get to his production. I am using that same argument when I compare DJ and Darko. Dollar for Dollar, Darko is a way better option when you look at basic stats, matchups, and the way each player is utilized.

You like to use advance stats that can easily be refuted or explained ,not because it doesn't correspond to my perception, but because there are elements of stats that don't show up on a stat, especially advanced stats that DO NOT CORRESPOND, OR ARE NOT RECOGNIZED by the NBA.

Darko is player that creates his PPG. DJ is a player that is usually assisted on a high percentage shot that doesn't show up on a stat, but anyone watching knows that to be the truth. That is one example on why those advance stats are very black and white.

not going to try an argue with your perceptions because that's what they are. These are highly respected and recognized advanced stat sites. You resorting to they "supposedly" DO NOT CORRESPOND OR ARE NOT RECOGNIZED by the NBA, does not in anyway take away from their validity or importance...if your of that mind set, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. believe in whatever stats or numbers that make you feel better.

we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I guess.

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If we get Kmart back then that would be my dream team bench

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They're highly respected and recognized is your perception. By whom? The NBA? Bloggers? Stat geeks? Fans? Look, I agree that people like to use advance stats but that isn't the be all end all in a discussion. You use stats in that manner when stats are just a supplement, part of the story.

Anyway, I'll take a guy that can create on his own, than a guy that depends on others to get into the scoring column....and is a fraction of the price of the guy that has no offense. crunch the stats into monetary value and see what you come up with. wink

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Side Note:

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JaVale McGee tweets he has re-signed with Nuggets. Had been looking 4 DeAndre Jordan deal.

lol

Looking for a DeAndre Jordan deal. The new coined phrase for getting a fat cat deal.

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McGee is getting 44mil for 4 years, almost identical to DJ's contract. What were the Nuggets thinking!! I'm a fan of both but their game is too raw and unpolished for them to be getting such big pay checks but hey, all NBA centers are being overpaid I guess.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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not going to try an argue with your perceptions because that's what they are. These are highly respected and recognized advanced stat sites. You resorting to they "supposedly" DO NOT CORRESPOND OR ARE NOT RECOGNIZED by the NBA, does not in anyway take away from their validity or importance...if your of that mind set, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. believe in whatever stats or numbers that make you feel better.

we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I guess.

They're highly respected and recognized is your perception. By whom? The NBA? Bloggers? Stat geeks? Fans? Look, I agree that people like to use advance stats but that isn't the be all end all in a discussion. You use stats in that manner when stats are just a supplement, part of the story.

Anyway, I'll take a guy that can create on his own, than a guy that depends on others to get into the scoring column....and is a fraction of the price of the guy that has no offense. crunch the stats into monetary value and see what you come up with. wink

Whatever...like I said before, if that's your mind set....that's your mind set. Keep it warm if it satisfies you.

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now that would be the definition of a waste signing. the whole he was playing behind marc gasol is the reason he never got the chance is bogus. the grizzlies actually preferred to let cunningham and speights man the backup center roles on that team because haddadi wasnt good enough to be the backup center. its a shame because hes 7'2 265 and seems to be a nice guy. regarding the flakers, their signing adds offense, but their bench is going to be basically jamison and whoever else helps him out on a given night.

their bench:blake, goudelock, ebanks, jamison, mcroberts, morris, darius johnson-odom and sacre.

our bench: ebled, crawford/billups, hill, odom, darko/blatche/hollins, thompkins and leslie(if hes kept on the team). no comparison. the only way they end up matching our bench is if they get howard and take on 2 bloated contracts such as the contracts of turkoglu and richardson. however based on the luxury tax implications, they wont so even if they were to acquire howard we would without a doubt have the deeper team that could beat them in a playoff series.

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Keep it warm? What does that even mean?

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Whatever...like I said before, if that's your mind set....that's your mind set. Keep it warm if it satisfies you.

Keep it warm? What does that even mean?

Figure it out, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

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tense2 wrote:
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Whatever...like I said before, if that's your mind set....that's your mind set. Keep it warm if it satisfies you.

Keep it warm? What does that even mean?

Figure it out, I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Bro Clipper*Joe just got Repped again.

DJ is by far the Better Center. Stats don't always show the picture. Clipper*Joe is always siding with the Clippers org. Regardless if they are making mistakes or not. Darko is a huge mistake. Especially if Oden is available. Plus if u want to play the Stats game just go back and see how bad he has been since 2003. So he had 1 good game against DJ. Big deal. Darko has been a huge dissapointmen. Now saying that he is better than us getting Ryan Hollins. So if we can't get a better Center. Than we will have no choice to see and hope that Darko will help the Clippers. Good post on your part.

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Greg Oden would be a huge mistake.. Not Darko Milicic..

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