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dkongos
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Now, when I say we couldn't have done any better, I'm not saying this team doesn't have any weaknesses. What I'm trying to say is that we would have never scored any of the big free agents this offseason. Dwight would have been impossible, Batum's contract was matched, Hibbert's contract was matched, Ray Allen was bound to pick the Heat, Gerald Wallace was bound to resign after Williams resigned. Of course there were other free agents, but these were the best SF's and Centers in free agency (other then Ray Allen). (I'm excluding the other free agents since we didn't need any blockbuster PG's SG's or PF's). In the end, getting Crawford, Odom, Grant Hill, re-signing Billups and Blake is the best we could have possibly done. I'm not including Ryan Hollins and Turiaf since they're easily interchangable.

dkongos
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I take it back, signing a different coach would have been a huge improvement. For now though...I'm going to have faith in Vinny.

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^ The question remains:

Who is both available and better than Del Negro?

I haven't heard a convincing answer yet.

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Well there is Flip Saunders, Mike D, Larry Brown (could have been a possibility), and Mike Malone. Those guys except for maybe Flip would have fit well into the system, and they would have gained more respect from the players the Vinny. Don't get me wrong though, Vinny deserves a job in the front office, he's done an incredible job recruiting players. It just seems like when players don't respect their coach things don't go well. Even if these coaches aren't a huge improvement, they still demand respect and cohesiveness from the team.

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^^ I think his late season push speak larger than volume there. Especially during that long losing stretch.

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Flip's last stint was with the Wizards... I didn't see much discipline there. I like Mike 'no' D, but him and CP3 would be an ugly marriage... Larry Brown and the Clips has been done - without success.

Now Mike Malone... who knows? but he's a nice card to have in the hole if Vinny fucks up and we risk losing CP3 unless we get a coach he digs, right?

ClipsGForce
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At least we know what Vinny can do. Taking Mike Malone will be risky, he's unknown quantity.

dkongos
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No I do understand where you're coming from. Vinny stepped it up near the end and you probably want the Clippers to finally have some continuity. I agree with those points, but in my opinion I still believe there were some coaches that would have garnered more respect from the players. It's just my opinion though, other then that this whole thread was about how this was a great off-season considering the big free agents would have been impossible to get.

ClipsGForce
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Not going to argue with that. Of course, they are better coach out there, but I do believe with enough continuity, we can achieve that promise land. Rome doesn't build in a day. I don't favor bringing in new coach for now, I believe in building on success.

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Continuity - absolutely... it's underrated. And I think this team's identity fits better with an upstart, underdog, "something to prove" coach than a cranky old disciplinarian... and I see it in the players, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

Anyway, I agree with your assessment of this summer.

The club addressed everything we knew they had to. We showed the world that we're not the impoverished little sibling to the 'other' franchise and, if anything, with our acquisitions showed that the Clippers are a MORE desirable location right now.

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Ray Allen could've signed with us but we didn't give him the opportunity to make that decision. We did very well tho overall. I'd give us a B+/A-. Our entire season is very much dependent on several players being able to return to form despite combinations of injuries, old age and just plain bad seasons.

Grant Hill and Chauncey Billups are both old enough to be my father, and neither had much success staying healthy last season. Billups is coming off of what could be a potentially career ending injury, while Grant Hill's knees are probably made of dust at this point. We have to pray that neither of them lose a step, and at the very least are able to find different ways to contribute if they do indeed lose a step. The biggest question mark is on whether or not they'll both be able to stay healthy. It's pretty hard luck to have so much of your teams success dependent on the health of w 35+ year olds.

We also have to pray to whatever gods we may worship or not believe in that both Lamar Odom and Jamal Crawford merely had off seasons last season and aren't on the decline like it would be so easy for them to be. It's not too much of a reach to hope for such, but nonetheless, it's hard to ignore how awful those two were for whatever their excuses may be. There's the scenario that both of them bounce back from their slumps, only one of them bounces back, or neither of them do and we have ourselves a tragedy.

Don't I dare mention the health of Blake Griffin, Chris Paul or Caron Butler. You always have to worry about these guys because they really give it their all each and every night, which should be a good thing, but when you look at it, our team is virtually made of glass, not to mention the catastrophe that is VDN as a head coach. How he'll adjust to any of these possible negative scenarios is a complete shot in the dark. i wonder if he's even thinking about it. We're not built to with stand an injury at any position with the exception of Center, and DJ is probably our healthiest and least important starter.

Our team is probably the biggest gamble in the league as far as Championship contenders go, but we definitely have what might be the strongest locker room in the league, as we're filled with high character guys from top to bottom. I expect team chemistry to be at an all time high, and I expect the guys to be a lot more focused on winning than they were last year. This will be a fun and exciting year indeed. I can't wait for the season to start!

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^ we may be made of glass, but we're deeper than buddhism.

Everyone will have their injuries... FFS, look at the Bulls' playoff debacle.

Heediot
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I Can't wait till the season starts!!! Luckily NFL is coming back soon.

clippermitch
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The only thing that was viable was signing Courtney Lee instead of Crawford but who knows if Lee wanted to come here.

CP3Best
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Why does Portland always make their sgs play the point? Roy, JCross

Ricky
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Sloan, Phil Jackson, Nate McMillan, both Van Gundy brothers.

CP3Best
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I though Jeff was an announcer!

Ricky
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This.

Even if not Lee, I feel we had better options outside of Crawford. Mayo ended up signing a 1 year deal for 4 million. Rush hasn't signed yet. Gerald Green signed a cheap 3-year/10 million deal.

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Yeah Green would've been great!

Ricky
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I heard he could coach too.

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I think Crawford was always our first choice as he was being recruited by CP3. If we went over his wishes and signed somebody else, who on paper would have been a better fit, that would have sent the wrong signal to Paul. I am sure he said - get Crawford or Ray Allan here but Crawford is the top priority. In fact, Crawford never really played with a high quality PG like Paul, so this might end up being the best fit indeed. Billups was another CP3 guy that we needed to get in order to have a chance on keeping Paul around longer. At 4 mil. and with the injury he had, Billups is as overpaid as you can get! I think all we did was paving the way for CP3 to be a Clipper beyond next summer!

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lmfao

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cleepers wrote:
dkongos wrote:
Well there is Flip Saunders, Mike D, Larry Brown (could have been a possibility), and Mike Malone. Those guys except for maybe Flip would have fit well into the system, and they would have gained more respect from the players the Vinny. Don't get me wrong though, Vinny deserves a job in the front office, he's done an incredible job recruiting players. It just seems like when players don't respect their coach things don't go well. Even if these coaches aren't a huge improvement, they still demand respect and cohesiveness from the team.

Flip's last stint was with the Wizards... I didn't see much discipline there. I like Mike 'no' D, but him and CP3 would be an ugly marriage... Larry Brown and the Clips has been done - without success.

Now Mike Malone... who knows? but he's a nice card to have in the hole if Vinny fucks up and we risk losing CP3 unless we get a coach he digs, right?

Sloan is available but dont know if he would have taken the job. As far as Larry Brown not being succesful, he was 64-53 while with us, the most winning coach in our history. He just wanted to move on to a better team, little sob, lol.

But all that aside, I am so stoked on this off season. Only person I was really hoping we would get was Jamison and sadly he went to the Lakers but we still had a very successful off season. Probably the best off season in our history.

ClipsGForce
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^^ Agree that statement. Just cause it's not perfect doesn't mean it's not good. We did the best we can given our situation.

Ricky
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I think CP3 recruited Crawford because the team asked him to.

clipperboy24
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Ricky wrote:
botev1921 wrote:
I think Crawford was always our first choice as he was being recruited by CP3.

I think CP3 recruited Crawford because the team asked him to.

i think you posted that because you wanted to Wink

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clipperboy24 wrote:
Ricky wrote:

I think CP3 recruited Crawford because the team asked him to.

i think you posted that because you wanted to Wink

lol

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50+ wins or bust.

clippermitch
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I'll one up you. WCF or bust!

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We're easily the deepest team in the league right now. Our bench is better than a lot of starting line ups. If we could acquire a minimum salary, back up veteran point guard then i'd feel a lot more comfortable going forward. Derek Fisher would be the perfect fit if he's willing to sign for the veterans minimum. I think we could also use another 2/3 just in case. I'd like a young guy at that position, maybe an undrafted rookie like Alex Young. Idk. I just like to keep all of my bases covered. You always need a doomsday safety kit when you're a Clippers fan.

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Keatonsays wrote:
cleepers wrote:
^ we may be made of glass, but we're deeper than buddhism.

Everyone will have their injuries... FFS, look at the Bulls' playoff debacle.

We're easily the deepest team in the league right now. Our bench is better than a lot of starting line ups. If we could acquire a minimum salary, back up veteran point guard then i'd feel a lot more comfortable going forward. Derek Fisher would be the perfect fit if he's willing to sign for the veterans minimum. I think we could also use another 2/3 just in case. I'd like a young guy at that position, maybe an undrafted rookie like Alex Young. Idk. I just like to keep all of my bases covered. You always need a doomsday safety kit when you're a Clippers fan.

Actually, if we wanted to stick with the glass knees theme of our team, we could sign Tracy McGrady as the back up back up 2/3. He's still very good on defense and shot 46% from 3 last season.

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@keatonsays, derek fisher? really? after all the s*** talk he said about the clippers? no thanks. we already have guards who can play the point at times outside of cp3 and ebled. we have shored up our biggest weakness last year and that is the 5 spot. adding hollins and turiaf will help immensely. i think if we can add pietrius, morrison or even tmac we would be a very very deep team. id prefer pietrius because of his d. i would add willie green, but he resigned with the hawks. this is a wcf team at least.

Heediot
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I give us a solid A for the off-season. Before Turiaf I gave it an A-. If we had acquired Courtney Lee over Crawford the grade jumps to an A+.

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Keatonsays wrote:
cleepers wrote:
^ we may be made of glass, but we're deeper than buddhism.

Everyone will have their injuries... FFS, look at the Bulls' playoff debacle.

We're easily the deepest team in the league right now. Our bench is better than a lot of starting line ups. If we could acquire a minimum salary, back up veteran point guard then i'd feel a lot more comfortable going forward. Derek Fisher would be the perfect fit if he's willing to sign for the veterans minimum. I think we could also use another 2/3 just in case. I'd like a young guy at that position, maybe an undrafted rookie like Alex Young. Idk. I just like to keep all of my bases covered. You always need a doomsday safety kit when you're a Clippers fan.

I think Boston is just as deep or one could argue deeper.

Rondo/Bradley,Lee/ Terry, Pierce/Green, Bass/Sullinger/Wilcox, GarnettFab Melo. That's Pretty deep as well.

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Is it just me or does Bradley suc? BAD

Heediot
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Avery Bradley?

If so, he's a beast defensively just like Bledsoe. Bledsoe has more upside on offense, but Bradley is still honing his offensive game just the same as Eric.

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Heediot wrote:
Keatonsays wrote:
cleepers wrote:
^ we may be made of glass, but we're deeper than buddhism.

Everyone will have their injuries... FFS, look at the Bulls' playoff debacle.

We're easily the deepest team in the league right now. Our bench is better than a lot of starting line ups. If we could acquire a minimum salary, back up veteran point guard then i'd feel a lot more comfortable going forward. Derek Fisher would be the perfect fit if he's willing to sign for the veterans minimum. I think we could also use another 2/3 just in case. I'd like a young guy at that position, maybe an undrafted rookie like Alex Young. Idk. I just like to keep all of my bases covered. You always need a doomsday safety kit when you're a Clippers fan.

I think Boston is just as deep or one could argue deeper.

Rondo/Bradley,Lee/ Terry, Pierce/Green, Bass/Sullinger/Wilcox, GarnettFab Melo. That's Pretty deep as well.

i agree. thats why those who are crowning miami to win back to back titles are underestimating the celtics. i think the clips and celtics are on par with the clips regarding depth.

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Why does cp3best spell suck, "suc"?

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We had the oppertunity to do better but the likely hood we were going to be better was far fetched. I love what we did.... With Jamal, Lamar, and Grant... the rest are pretty good role players ... I am happy.. I give it a B+ .... Compared to other years... I give it an -O- for freaking outstanding.. for the record.. an -O- is better than an A+ Wink

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I think that the best move this off season, in all of Clipperdom, was signing CP3Best as CTB's mascot.

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If you want simple predictable offense then the Van Gundy brothers are perfect.

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As much as I would love to be as positive as the rest. I can't give the off Season more than a B. I might have a tougher grading scale. I almost had to make it a B- with the addition of Turiaf. But since Turiaf won't hurt us I will remain with the B. I don't see things the way u guys do. In order for me to give the team an A. We needed to catapult to be the favorites for the west. What I see is a slight upgrade from the previous season and possibly a 6 game or 7 game run in the 2nd round. While it could be possible to reach maybe the WCF. I still see 3 very strong teams ahead of us. OKC, Lakers and SA.

I don't believe that CP3 only would only want Crawford. I am sure CP3 would have been happy with anyone that would have helped us be even stronger.

Lee\Mayo > Crawford. B

Odom would have come for cheaper. A-

Hill is a good pick up but old. B++

Billups was a must for CP3 even though injuries will hinder him

Ryan Hollins I give a C+

Ronny Turiaf C-

Blake Griffin New Contract A+

The real improvement will have to come from with in.

Our coach sorry guys I have to do this is a F.

There are just too many good coaches available.

So my grade is a B.

This was also the grade given to us by 2 Reports prior to Turiaf Beening added.

I could only give an A+ if by some miracle we had landed D12 for DJ and parts.

I could give an A if we had got some of these guys.

Lee, Mayo, Rush, Green, Delphino, Oden or Haddadi instead of Turiaf or Hollins even Darko which I did not like would have been better and what about some of the Summer League guys like Morrison, Malcom, Armstrong, Mc Ghee or White. These are all players I believe could have been brought. Also the rumors of Marco, Robin Lopez or originally Ray Allen. There are many on this List that would have made it a much better off season. The one glaring and the most important in my book was a new coach.

So for sure. We did good. We did above Average a B. It was not Excellent or Outstanding. They get a yes they did great but it could have easily been better.

So I feel a B is a well deserved grade for the outstanding effort put forth.

All in All good Job.

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TheThinkingSomething wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
I though Jeff was an announcer!

I think that the best move this off season, in all of Clipperdom, was signing CP3Best as CTB's mascot.

He gets my vote for rookie of the year. I hope he got a multi year deal.

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