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The #Clippers have found newest assistant coach in Bob Ociepka, who most recently worked on Portland coaching staff.

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#Clippers coaching staff now stands: Vinny Del Negro (HC), Marc Iavaroni, Robert Pack, Bob Ociepka, Howard Eisley, & Dave Severns

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So is he gonna be the defensive coach?

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link on him:

http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/clippe ... tant-coach

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Does anyone have any more meaningful information on this guy? Not overly impressed based upon the link above, but let's gather more information.

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The tweet doesn't mention Demopoulos... has he gone? He was always supposed to be the defensive guru.

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Yeah Demopoulos has been gone, Here's a prediction too CipperSam is going to Blow up after he finds out we hired this guy(seriously though)

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Here's something I read(from Blazers Edge) after a playoff series where Ociepka was working under Nate Mcmillan tell me if this sounds familiar:

Other than wide open looks for LMA from 18 feet(in our case Blake), which I'm sure the opposition can live with, the Blazers either chucked up contested jumpers or rammed the ball into the paint, where bigs waited to swat the ball into the front row. It would have been a weak offensive performance for a non-playoff team, much less a team that had won 50 games.

That's on Nate and his philosophy of offense, which includes very little player movement, and seems to include a lion's share of plays where guys saunter around the perimeter dribbling while other guys stand around the perimeter waiting for the ball. That's why I say he needs help. Another perspective. A few more plays, perhaps

Supposedly he wrote a book in the mid 90's while working for the Clippers and Bill FITCH anyways It's basically all offensive sets, So was this the Defensive coach ??WTF

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NBA career

While coaching high school basketball, Ociepka served as a part-time volunteer scout for the Detroit Pistons in the 1980s. He was the head coach at York High School in Elmhurst, IL for four years during this time.

He was first hired as an assistant coach in 1989 for the Indiana Pacers. Ociepka has also served as an assistant coach with the Los Angeles Clippers from 1993 to 1996, the Philadelphia 76ers from 1996 to 1997, the Cleveland Cavaliers from 1999 to 2001, the Detroit Pistons from 1998 to 1999 and again from 2001 to 2003, the Milwaukee Bucks from 2003 to 2006, and the Minnesota Timberwolves from 2007 to 2008.[2]

Ociepka also served as an advance scout during the 1998 season for the Orlando Magic.[3]

From 2008 to 2010, Ociepka was an assistant coach for the Chicago Bulls and rookie head coach Vinny Del Negro.[1] In 2010, following Del Negro's firing from the Bulls, Ociepka was hired as an assistant for the Portland Trail Blazers.[4]

During his time in the NBA, Ociepka has also written two insightful books on basketball strategies. Basketball Playbook: Plays From the Pros was published in 1995 and Basketball Playbook 2: More Plays from the Pros was published in 2001.[2]

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Well, I like the fact that he worked for McMillan, but otherwise seems to have bounced around. None of those other jobs seem to be with top tier head coaches, or programs. So this is starting to look like VDN shuffling some asst coach cards, but not reallt dealing with the core issues.

I just can't stop thinking what Jerry Sloan could do with a top flight point guard and talented PF on offense, and how he teaches tough rotational defense. He might not want a long term gig, but for a year or two, he could create a completely different tone. Kick VDN upstairs and hire Sloan, please!

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We ask guys to go find shooting coaches in offseason and conditioning coaches to improve their game. Maybe VDN should go find a coach like sloan in the offseason and get some coaching lessons.

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I wish that happened

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You already know what Sloan would do with a top flight PG and PF on offense. One left him for Chicago, and the PG eventually didn't like his philosophy and led to Sloan's ousting.

If Sloan is as great as everyone here thinks he is, why is still out of a job? After basically telling anyone in the media who would listen. The game has outgrown Sloan and his way of coaching.

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I just can't stop thinking what Jerry Sloan could do with a top flight point guard and talented PF on offense, and how he teaches tough rotational defense. He might not want a long term gig, but for a year or two, he could create a completely different tone. Kick VDN upstairs and hire Sloan, please!

You already know what Sloan would do with a top flight PG and PF on offense. One left him for Chicago, and the PG eventually didn't like his philosophy and led to Sloan's ousting.

If Sloan is as great as everyone here thinks he is, why is still out of a job? After basically telling anyone in the media who would listen. The game has outgrown Sloan and his way of coaching.

If sloan wanted a job he would have one. What he did in Utah was amazing. Utah is a place where no free agents really want to go. The game didnt pass him buy they are still using his exact same system in utah now and they keep winning. He is one of the best coaches of all time.

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I know Joe you are defending VDN. Got no problem their but dont bash on one of the all time greats for no reason. If sloan was our coach it would be a huge upgrade. The thing with sloan isnt that the game passed him buy but its harder for old school coaches to get along with the players nowadays. Players are prima donnas and cant take some criticism.

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I just can't stop thinking what Jerry Sloan could do with a top flight point guard and talented PF on offense, and how he teaches tough rotational defense. He might not want a long term gig, but for a year or two, he could create a completely different tone. Kick VDN upstairs and hire Sloan, please!

You already know what Sloan would do with a top flight PG and PF on offense. One left him for Chicago, and the PG eventually didn't like his philosophy and led to Sloan's ousting.

If Sloan is as great as everyone here thinks he is, why is still out of a job? After basically telling anyone in the media who would listen. The game has outgrown Sloan and his way of coaching.

Maybe the game has passed him by, but I'd rather find out than continue on the current course, which is a 2nd round playoff loss, more than likely. I think VDN could well turn in a 55+ win season, but the sights are now set on the playoffs. I dont see him as having the abilities to go toe to toe intellectually with the likes of Brooks, Pop, Karl, or even Jackson (Mark).

This will be a good team with VDN, it has the maings of a great team with a top flight coach.

Also, I'm not sure I'd consider Boozer to be a top flight PF though. I was thinking a little further back than that.

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Well said Ghostship and PleasesellDTS

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Based on what I read above, it's obvious why VDN hired him. He worked as an assistant for Vinny in Chicago, so VDN knows what he can do and has a working relationship with him. I am good with that. If this guy wasn't up to the challenge, Vinny certainly wouldn't bring him back into the fold when there are other guys available.

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Really? Did the Bobcats offer him a job that he interviewed for? I don't think so. So why doesn't he have a job yet? Better yet, what do you know personally to make a bold statement like that?

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The tweet doesn't mention Demopoulos... has he gone? He was always supposed to be the defensive guru.
Yeah Demopoulos has been gone, Here's a prediction too CipperSam is going to Blow up after he finds out we hired this guy(seriously though)

Wow normally your correct I should be exploding. But I am not. To be honest I have given up hope on any signs that our coaching staff will improve. I am kind of numb to the news when it concerns our coaching staff. This move doesn't surprise me at all. Vinny is afraid to hire any quality coaches. He doesn't want to lose his position to a coach tha would have the ability to replace him. Rather than put smart people around him. He surrounds himself with more bad coaches. Look at Phil Jackson. Jackson tried to hire the best in Text Winters and Brian Shaw. The only person that has any potential to be a good coach on this team is Robert Pack. The rest are a bunch of losers. This new asst coach has always been bounced around with teams that were around .500 or less. Each team he has been on has let go of there head coach including Nate in Portland and no surprise Vinny in Chicago. Maybe he is a good sign. Maybe he has come to seal Vinnys fate. If Vinny had any sign of intelligence he would have brought someone to truly help him. The move here was made to secure Vinnys Job. Rather than trying to make the team better. No surprises that Vinny would pick him. So why blow up over this. This is exactly what I have come to expect from VDN. If Vinny was truly smart he should of changed all his assistants for the exception of Pack. I would have went after Brian Shaw, Mike Malone, Jauque Vahn, Mike D, Nate Mc Millan or basically went after any assistant from the spurs, bulls, celtics, mavericks. I would have gone after a Tibbs assistant for defense. I then would have gotten someone from the spurs, OKC, or Boston or maybe even the suns for the offense. Then Vinny could have laid back and pretended that he was actually coaching and maybe fool some to believe hes the next Pat Riley or something. Instead he brings more crap. I am sick of losing sleep over Vinnys coaching. So my estimation the man won't last past this season anyways. So its just a matter of time. Go Vinny!

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How am I bashing Sloan? Was what I said not all facts? I guess my point is that you guys like to make a lot of "matter of fact" statements with nothing to back them up. Saying that Sloan be a huge upgrade over VDN as fact is nothing but opinion. Personally, I think he would ruin this team. He might be a good coach but I think he would clash with the personalities we have now.

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If sloan wanted a job he would have one. What he did in Utah was amazing. Utah is a place where no free agents really want to go. The game didnt pass him buy they are still using his exact same system in utah now and they keep winning. He is one of the best coaches of all time.

Really? Did the Bobcats offer him a job that he interviewed for? I don't think so. So why doesn't he have a job yet? Better yet, what do you know personally to make a bold statement like that?

I doubt a great coach like Sloan really wanted to coach the bobcats. He even turned down the job in Portland. If he really wanted to coach he would have taken the Blazers over the Bobcats. Yet he declined the Blazers job. I think MJ knew Sloan would not accept the position. So he struck first. I really believe Sloan came out hoping to coach the Clippers. I feel he looked at LA. It's very close to home. He probably wanted to have CP3 and BG as the next Stockton and Malone. I really believe he was hoping to be the Clippers head coach. I also believe Phil would have taken the Clips if the pay was right and the job was offered. Phil and Sloan know that they can take the Clips to the finals. Like I said I believe they are both waiting for Vinny to fail. Maybe Lamar will recruit Phil after this season and the Clips will use the new coach to make CP3 want to have no choice but to resign with us. I am hoping that is the plan. Than maybe they will fill the GM spot with Vinny. Hopefully than everyone is happy. Maybe Vinny makes a better GM. With the right coach to direct him on which players to go after. I would be so much happier if that happens.

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Maybe the game has passed him by, but I'd rather find out than continue on the current course, which is a 2nd round playoff loss, more than likely. I think VDN could well turn in a 55+ win season, but the sights are now set on the playoffs. I dont see him as having the abilities to go toe to toe intellectually with the likes of Brooks, Pop, Karl, or even Jackson (Mark).

continue the same course? For a history like ours, that is pretty decent course to take. Anyway, I'll wait for the season to start before I start dismissing what the offseason has given us. In case you haven't read, VDN was the one who got a few players to sign. I'd rather let this play out, then "finding out" what Sloan can bring to the table.

The players signed with the expectation of VDN being coach.

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This will be a good team with VDN, it has the maings of a great team with a top flight coach.

Like a Phil Jackson (top flight) team with the highest payroll getting swept in the second round kinda great? Like a Pops team that's had their core since 01'-02' who got clobbered by one of the youngest team that basis their offense on a 2 against 5 philosophy? How about one of the weakest coaches in Spoelstra winning it all? The same Spoalstra who usually gets bumped and yelled at by his players?

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Also, I'm not sure I'd consider Boozer to be a top flight PF though. I was thinking a little further back than that.

Fair enough. But he's never had the same success without his 2 hall of famers.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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If sloan wanted a job he would have one. What he did in Utah was amazing. Utah is a place where no free agents really want to go. The game didnt pass him buy they are still using his exact same system in utah now and they keep winning. He is one of the best coaches of all time.

Really? Did the Bobcats offer him a job that he interviewed for? I don't think so. So why doesn't he have a job yet? Better yet, what do you know personally to make a bold statement like that?

probably cause bobcats are cheap, and went after a college ASSISTANT coach. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_19

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I wouldn't go waste my time traveling to go to interview for a job I never wanted in the first place. As far as Portland, maybe he didn't want to work for Olshey.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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I know Joe you are defending VDN. Got no problem their but dont bash on one of the all time greats for no reason. If sloan was our coach it would be a huge upgrade. The thing with sloan isnt that the game passed him buy but its harder for old school coaches to get along with the players nowadays. Players are prima donnas and cant take some criticism.

How am I bashing Sloan? Was what I said not all facts? I guess my point is that you guys like to make a lot of "matter of fact" statements with nothing to back them up. Saying that Sloan be a huge upgrade over VDN as fact is nothing but opinion. Personally, I think he would ruin this team. He might be a good coach but I think he would clash with the personalities we have now.

Typically smart coaches don't clash with players that truly want to win. Deron Williams clearly wanted out of Utah. Sloan was in Utah for over 20yrs. There was no signs of Sloan ever clashing with anyone. For the exception of D Will all the players spoke very highly of Sloan. The man is a legend. It is an insult to Sloan and his coaching when u even are trying to compare Vinny to Sloan. CP3 wants to win. I think he would want a legendary coach to get him and the team a true chance at a title. I could never see a guy like CP3 clashing with one of the most respected coaches ever. ClipperJoe I don't mind some of your optimism but Plz let's try to be realistic in our comments. I am not trying to argue with u. I just want u to be more realistic. Especially when comparing a Legend to a Novice Coach. Its like comparing MJ to a Adam Morrison. There is no comparison. So any argument like that simply looks foolish. Like I said I do respect the things u say. Except when u try to make these type of comparisons. Now if u want to compare Vinny to Mike Brown that's cool. But Plz don't mention Vinny and Sloan in the same breath.

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Or maybe, they wanted a coach to grow up with the young players? I mean, they had Brown and Silas not too long ago. Maybe getting a no name coach might work cause the decorated coaches failed to do anything?

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Actually, it's an insult that you would call anyone who has a coaches job on a professional level a moron and idiot. So please don't get on that soapbox and tell me who I can, and can't compare. Thanks!

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clipper*joe wrote:
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I know Joe you are defending VDN. Got no problem their but dont bash on one of the all time greats for no reason. If sloan was our coach it would be a huge upgrade. The thing with sloan isnt that the game passed him buy but its harder for old school coaches to get along with the players nowadays. Players are prima donnas and cant take some criticism.

How am I bashing Sloan? Was what I said not all facts? I guess my point is that you guys like to make a lot of "matter of fact" statements with nothing to back them up. Saying that Sloan be a huge upgrade over VDN as fact is nothing but opinion. Personally, I think he would ruin this team. He might be a good coach but I think he would clash with the personalities we have now.

You dont make much sense. Of course its an opinion, same as could be said about your point of you. If you are actually trying to say that VDN would do a better job then Sloan your crazy. He is a hall of fame coach that had only 3 losing seasons in over 20 years of coaching.

Sloan has forgotten more basketball then VDN even knows.

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probably cause bobcats are cheap, and went after a college ASSISTANT coach. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_19

Or maybe, they wanted a coach to grow up with the young players? I mean, they had Brown and Silas not too long ago. Maybe getting a no name coach might work cause the decorated coaches failed to do anything?

The bobcats coach will not be around by the time that team is going to be good. He is walking into a horrible situation.

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How am I bashing Sloan? Was what I said not all facts? I guess my point is that you guys like to make a lot of "matter of fact" statements with nothing to back them up. Saying that Sloan be a huge upgrade over VDN as fact is nothing but opinion. Personally, I think he would ruin this team. He might be a good coach but I think he would clash with the personalities we have now.

You dont make much sense. Of course its an opinion, same as could be said about your point of you. If you are actually trying to say that VDN would do a better job then Sloan your crazy. He is a hall of fame coach that had only 3 losing seasons in over 20 years of coaching.

Sloan has forgotten more basketball then VDN even knows.

Why is that? I didn't make any proclamations like saying it would be a "HUGE UPGRADE" if we kept VDN. I didn't proclaim that with a top flight coach, we'd be a great team.

I didn't or don't think I gave any opinions. I stated facts as they were reported. I never said VDN would make us better than Sloan would. Point to me where I wrote that. If you can't find it, then maybe it's you who needs the straight jacket, not me.

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I doubt a great coach like Sloan really wanted to coach the bobcats.

I wouldn't go waste my time traveling to go to interview for a job I never wanted in the first place. As far as Portland, maybe he didn't want to work for Olshey.

They actually flew to Utah to interview him. He didnt go anywhere. Also why not interview for a job and see what somebody is willing to offer you.

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I doubt a great coach like Sloan really wanted to coach the bobcats.

I wouldn't go waste my time traveling to go to interview for a job I never wanted in the first place. As far as Portland, maybe he didn't want to work for Olshey.

I think it was a way for him to show all NBA teams especially the Clippers that he wanted to coach again. MJ is currently the worst owner in the NBA. What he did to Sloan was more knowing that Sloan was for sure going to decline. Could u truly believe that Sloan would have coached the bobcats. That's like MJ trying to make a comeback at 50. It wasn't going to happen. I never thought for 1 minute that he would take the Bobcats offer unless MJ was going to pay him 10 mil a year or something. It wasn't going to happen...

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clipper*joe wrote:
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How am I bashing Sloan? Was what I said not all facts? I guess my point is that you guys like to make a lot of "matter of fact" statements with nothing to back them up. Saying that Sloan be a huge upgrade over VDN as fact is nothing but opinion. Personally, I think he would ruin this team. He might be a good coach but I think he would clash with the personalities we have now.

You dont make much sense. Of course its an opinion, same as could be said about your point of you. If you are actually trying to say that VDN would do a better job then Sloan your crazy. He is a hall of fame coach that had only 3 losing seasons in over 20 years of coaching.

Sloan has forgotten more basketball then VDN even knows.

Why is that? I didn't make any proclamations like saying it would be a "HUGE UPGRADE" if we kept VDN. I didn't proclaim that with a top flight coach, we'd be a great team.

I didn't or don't think I gave any opinions. I stated facts as they were reported. I never said VDN would make us better than Sloan would. Point to me where I wrote that. If you can't find it, then maybe it's you who needs the straight jacket, not me.

I don't believe that what's being said. I think GhostShip is simply pointing out that you can't even try to compare apples to oranges. Vinny and Sloan don't deserve to be compared in the same post. Unless you are trying to point out a great coach vs a horrible coach. There is absolutely no comparison. I am trying to get u to understand why it makes no sense even trying to do it. ClipperJoe I am trying to be a friend. When I am telling u if u want us to truly respect your knowledge of basketball and agree with u more. You got to try not to argue points that will never win anyone over to believe the things you are saying. You say many great things. But topics like this will only make readers lose credibility in your Knowledge of the game. If I were u I would try to stick to things you are dead right on. Like when you killed me on the Luxary Vs Cap space. You were dead right. I hope you take my words in good stride. So that everyone truly enjoys the things you write.

Hopefully you take this as a positive and not that I am trying to be negative towards what u are writing...

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I doubt a great coach like Sloan really wanted to coach the bobcats.

I wouldn't go waste my time traveling to go to interview for a job I never wanted in the first place. As far as Portland, maybe he didn't want to work for Olshey.

They actually flew to Utah to interview him. He didnt go anywhere. Also why not interview for a job and see what somebody is willing to offer you.

I didn't know that.

Make great sense!

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Actually, that's exactly what is being said. Ghostship's whole argument is based on a fallacy. You, like him, are making the comparison and don't even know it...That's the irony in all of this. By saying Sloan would do a lot better than VDN, you just made the comparison. Before you try and interpret what someone else has said, point to a post on this page, or any page and tell me where I was "comparing apples and oranges"...Show me.

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ClipperSam that was my point to even try to think to compare VDN and Sloan is crazy. If you had to name the best 5 coaches of all time Sloan is most likely in there. Sloan might clash but I think if the guys really wanted to buy in and truly cared about winning they would listen to Sloan.

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Your point was in vain. I never made that argument so not sure what you were addressing. Ironically enough, it was you who compared them, not me. But hey, to each their own...

Would could say you were arguing with yourself.

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I just can't stop thinking what Jerry Sloan could do with a top flight point guard and talented PF on offense, and how he teaches tough rotational defense. He might not want a long term gig, but for a year or two, he could create a completely different tone. Kick VDN upstairs and hire Sloan, please!

You already know what Sloan would do with a top flight PG and PF on offense. One left him for Chicago, and the PG eventually didn't like his philosophy and led to Sloan's ousting.

If Sloan is as great as everyone here thinks he is, why is still out of a job? After basically telling anyone in the media who would listen. The game has outgrown Sloan and his way of coaching.

I take this statement by you as a knock on Sloan. How are you not saying Slaon isnt that great of a coach

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I take it as the truth. One man's truth is another man's knock, jab, bash etc.

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The Clippers management should promote Vinny as our GM and hire Sloan to coach the team,Vinny shows how he operate as a GM this off season and a lot of fans are satisfied to his work.Hiring Sloan will solved all the coaching problems of the team, regarding defense or offense.

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I take this statement by you as a knock on Sloan. How are you not saying Slaon isnt that great of a coach

I take it as the truth. One man's truth is another man's knock, jab, bash etc.

I guess I understand what your saying. Its just hard to understand how you can make a statement saying the game has passed him by when he only coached 2 years ago and had a 574 win percentage. The year before that he was at 670 something. I think he resigned because he needed a break. To coach in the nba for over 20 years is very stressful.

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The players we kept from last year seem to have no problem with Vinny. We've had a very productive offseason picking up new players who are perfectly aware who the coach is, and signed anyway.

We took a huge step forward as a franchise last season. I see no reason to stir things up if we keep getting better.

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I just can't stop thinking what Jerry Sloan could do with a top flight point guard and talented PF on offense, and how he teaches tough rotational defense. He might not want a long term gig, but for a year or two, he could create a completely different tone. Kick VDN upstairs and hire Sloan, please!

You already know what Sloan would do with a top flight PG and PF on offense. One left him for Chicago, and the PG eventually didn't like his philosophy and led to Sloan's ousting.

If Sloan is as great as everyone here thinks he is, why is still out of a job? After basically telling anyone in the media who would listen. The game has outgrown Sloan and his way of coaching.

Here is where it basically started. You are basically saying Sloan is old and done. You are basically erasing the mans 20 + years of greatness. You are basing this on again D-will and a not so great PF. If anything he looked better in Utah and Chicago wants to possibly amenity him based on a bad contract. Phil and Kobe once had there differances. So did Magic and Riley. This shouldn't reflect on there coaching.

Saying that Sloan wouldn't be better fitted as a coach for the clips is ludicrous.

Later on you are trying to use records as a comparison. Even if your oppinion as you say we're true. The record wouldn't be better. Let's say hypothetically Sloan and Vinny had the Same record with this Clipper team.

The differance is still that we would rather lose with a legendary coach like Sloan or Phil. Than to lose with the question. What if the team had a better coach.

First of all to be fair. You must acknowledge. Sloans coaching abilities over VDN.

Than you determine who has the better chance to succeed. You don't try to create a hypothetical question about records.

You start with the man and go from there.

Sloan is clearly the better coach.

Trying to defend otherwise is not a wise choice!

Rather than try to argue with every topic. Why not try to understand what the other is saying. I am sorry but after reading it for the 3rd time. I can't find what your trying to prove. Some things are better just left alone!

GhostShip may not have said it perfectly. But he was saying the right things. You have to get past trying to be correct always. It's a easy trap to fall into. I know I have been one to do the same thing at times. I am trying to get u to see things from a broader perspective. Hopefully it makes sense!

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I agree no problem in bringing him back for 1 more year. By the clippers doing this it gives him a fare shake. He had no off season last year. Just my prediction is he is not asked back after this year. Their are a lot of good coaches available still and our team is on the verge of something special. I think a great coach would just give us that extra edge we need to battle against the elite teams.

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GhostShip wrote:
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The players we kept from last year seem to have no problem with Vinny. We've had a very productive offseason picking up new players who are perfectly aware who the coach is, and signed anyway.

We took a huge step forward as a franchise last season. I see no reason to stir things up if we keep getting better.

I agree no problem in bringing him back for 1 more year. By the clippers doing this it gives him a fare shake. He had no off season last year. Just my prediction is he is not asked back after this year. Their are a lot of good coaches available still and our team is on the verge of something special. I think a great coach would just give us that extra edge we need to battle against the elite teams.

I am also in agreement. With this. Let's see what Vinny does and take it from there. I don't have high hopes. But at least I am trying to see if he can get better. Hopefully he does!

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I don't believe that what's being said. I think GhostShip is simply pointing out that you can't even try to compare apples to oranges. Vinny and Sloan don't deserve to be compared in the same post. Unless you are trying to point out a great coach vs a horrible coach. There is absolutely no comparison. I am trying to get u to understand why it makes no sense even trying to do it. ClipperJoe I am trying to be a friend. When I am telling u if u want us to truly respect your knowledge of basketball and agree with u more. You got to try not to argue points that will never win anyone over to believe the things you are saying. You say many great things. But topics like this will only make readers lose credibility in your Knowledge of the game. If I were u I would try to stick to things you are dead right on. Like when you killed me on the Luxary Vs Cap space. You were dead right. I hope you take my words in good stride. So that everyone truly enjoys the things you write.

Hopefully you take this as a positive and not that I am trying to be negative towards what u are writing...

Actually, that's exactly what is being said. Ghostship's whole argument is based on a fallacy. You, like him, are making the comparison and don't even know it...That's the irony in all of this. By saying Sloan would do a lot better than VDN, you just made the comparison. Before you try and interpret what someone else has said, point to a post on this page, or any page and tell me where I was "comparing apples and oranges"...Show me.

Just to add something to this.

While yes I do like GhostShip and me and him have agreed on many topics. I also like to remain fair to both sides. I am not choosing GhostShip because I like him. While in the past I was upset with u. I believe me and you are no longer on opposite sides. I have put the past behind me. I am positive that I will back u on other topics in the near future. If me and Cleepers can now get along. Which amazingly it has happened. I am very happy that we were able to put the past behind us. I am trying to do the same with u. It doesnt mean me and Cleepers won't have some disagreements. It just means that I will try to side with your Views more often. I am trying to do the same with u. I know longer have anything against u. So like I said I hope u understand. That I am coming from trying to be a friend and not from the perspective that I am going after u. I just hope that you can see things from a broader perspective. I am sure me and u will agree on many different topics. It's just that I am trying to help u see things from another persons point of view or a 3rd perspective.

Like I said I hope you take this in right way.

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^ and just so u know I am telling the truth. I just gave a positive vote to Cleepers and I was giving u 1 too. I have to wait 1440 Minutes on yours cause. That's what it said. But after the time. You will get my next + Vote.

Hope that tells u something...

Ps GhostShip got one from me a while back and I want to thank Cleepers for giving me a positive 1 2 days ago.

Really shocked me!

Thanks Cleepers.

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ahh how things never get old now and days...

Everybody is entitled to theirs. It's just a problem when people start treating those opinions as facts..

Sure Sloan would be an upgrade as a coach based on his track record.. But how is anybody so sure that he would improve this team.. What would happen if he came in the coach and we got bounced in the first round??

Just don't know what effect a coach would have on this roster no matter how good thier past is..

Even if the Clippers went 82-0 i could already see some people still blaming VDN because we lost 1 preseason game and that would be proof enough for some to say he is still a terrible coach.. Sam its not as much as you saying youll give him a chance before you judge his coaching abilities.. But its more of a i can't wait til he loses a game so i can jump down his throat and claim how terrible of a coach he is..

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VDN is a mediem good coach, but he needs to come up with some sort of defensive strategy!

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Honestly I know it wouldn't happen. But even like you said I would much rather get ousted in the 1st round with a coach like Sloan than VDN even if could take us to the 2nd round. Basically I would rather take my chances. The odds of a great coach failing are much higher than a bad one succeeding.

Yes I would take a 1st round loss with Sloan anyday.

If Vinny went 80-2 let alone 82-0. You would never hear me talk about getting a better coach again. I would be happy if the man could get us a 62-20 record and got us to the WCF at least. My prediction is around 52-34. Give or take 3 games. I predict we will end with the 4th best record in the west. We end up losing to OKC, Lakers or San Antonio in 6 or 7 games In the 2nd round. If Vinny is lucky and we catch a break. Like maybe Parker being injured. Than maybe we get to the WCF. I hope no one gets injured. But this is as far as I believe Vinny can lead the team at best. This is me being positive. At if Vinny does a good job compared to his past. We will be a 3rd seed in the west. But again I was hoping for 2nd or 3rd this past season and we ended in 5th. Vinny will only take this team. So far!!!

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