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Got two words for you: Marcellus Wiley. This is the only mainstream sports analyst that I know of that is a genuine clippers fan. He is constantly defending the clippers against hardcore laker callers on a daily basis and claims to go to every clipper game. Check out this podcast about who's better clippers or lakers and how he holds us down. Once again can't post urls yet but the name is:

Max & Marcellus espn Los Angeles podcast: 7/24(hr4)

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Yeah! Max dont hate the clips but he's a flaker fan. Marcelieu is a clip fan. i think he said his dad was a clip fan and took him to games when they were at the sport arena. Smile

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I think Petro and Money make a better case to be Clipper supporters.

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I love hearing radio analysts brag about the Steve Nash signing. That guy is going to get blown by almost every possession by CP3, Westbrook, and Tony Parker.

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So what? Nash has always made his Suns teams pretty good despite playing with some crappy players. And for the Lakers, is Nash that much worse than Fisher/Blake/Sessions? Nash will make the Lakers an offensive juggernaut, and with Bynum and Gasol defending the basket and Kobe and Artest being capable wing defenders, the Lakers should be able to hide Nash's defensive weaknesses.

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^^ I would agree with you. When they sign Nash, I'm devastated cause I know Nash will create something amazing on this team. We can say he's old and slow, but no one should question his basketball IQ. That's why Lakers may have an edge on Clippers plus they still have their twin tower.

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I think that the Clippers have the edge because of their bench. The Clippers have one of the deepest squads in the NBA. Now the addition of Nash to the Lakers was a good move, on paper. They have another shooter. That's great. The Lakers defense will not make up for Nash's. For one Pau can be punked and will back down, Bynum is no defensive force either. Metta is I'd say the best defensive player they have then Kobe.

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What Nash deducts from the Laker defense, he'll make up in added offense with his passing and shooting. Excellent move both on paper and the court. Our bench is stronger right now on paper so it's pretty even to me between the two teams. We'll see how it all turns out in the box scores this season...but either way it's going to be a fun and exciting duel to the end.

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"Offense wins games, but defense wins championships!" Chris Mullin. Need I say more?

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Chris mullen never got a ring, and was horrible in the FO. The Nash addition was a great move by the Lakers, yet with the addition of Odom, Hill, Crawford, CB coming back gives the Clips a better off-season hands down. The only team thats close this off-season are the Celtics

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lacsmoove wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
"Offense wins games, but defense wins championships!" Chris Mullin. Need I say more?

Chris mullen never got a ring, and was horrible in the FO. The Nash addition was a great move by the Lakers, yet with the addition of Odom, Hill, Crawford, CB coming back gives the Clips a better off-season hands down. The only team thats close this off-season are the Celtics

Oh and the Mavericks

CP3Best
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Than why in the world is NBA.com using him in their stupid diabetes ads?

Jerediscool
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diabetes arent stupid, theyre serious and its about the nba having a social responsibility as a giant corporation to help out its community and raise awareness

CP3Best
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I said the add is stupid, what does winning championships have to do with stopping diabetes, watch the add!

ClipperSam
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Ammo is A Diabetic. Not sure if you guys are aware.

Jerediscool
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yea i remember him having to put that pump thing in his stomach during games at gonzaga

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seanrooks wrote:
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I love hearing radio analysts brag about the Steve Nash signing. That guy is going to get blown by almost every possession by CP3, Westbrook, and Tony Parker.

So what? Nash has always made his Suns teams pretty good despite playing with some crappy players. And for the Lakers, is Nash that much worse than Fisher/Blake/Sessions? Nash will make the Lakers an offensive juggernaut, and with Bynum and Gasol defending the basket and Kobe and Artest being capable wing defenders, the Lakers should be able to hide Nash's defensive weaknesses.

With Sessions not coming back and Nash coming in, Lakers got better offensively (not nearly as much as people think), worse defensively, significantly older and slower. They won't be able to hide his defensive weaknesses. As soon as he gets blown by, one man switches, and that's a DJ/Griffin dunk.

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sz123456 wrote:
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I love hearing radio analysts brag about the Steve Nash signing. That guy is going to get blown by almost every possession by CP3, Westbrook, and Tony Parker.

So what? Nash has always made his Suns teams pretty good despite playing with some crappy players. And for the Lakers, is Nash that much worse than Fisher/Blake/Sessions? Nash will make the Lakers an offensive juggernaut, and with Bynum and Gasol defending the basket and Kobe and Artest being capable wing defenders, the Lakers should be able to hide Nash's defensive weaknesses.

With Sessions not coming back and Nash coming in, Lakers got better offensively (not nearly as much as people think), worse defensively, significantly older and slower. They won't be able to hide his defensive weaknesses. As soon as he gets blown by, one man switches, and that's a DJ/Griffin dunk.

It's not that simple. Sure, he's a bad defender, but he's made some mediocre teammates into some very good teams in phoenix even with his poor defense. This Lakers team will also be much better defensively than any Suns team he ever played for. They can cover up for him enough, his defense isn't THAT bad. The Suns covered up for him for years and had some very good teams that survived defensively with Boris Diaw or Amare Stoudemire starting at center. Now he has Bynum and Gasol behind him, not to mention Artest and Kobe are still solid wing defenders. I don't think that his poor defense will cost them too dearly.

Also, people aren't realizing that this is Steve Frickin Nash here. Who cares if he's 38, he's still playing amazingly. Incredibly high percentages, league leader in assists, almost made the playoffs with that crappy Suns team. All this talk of "oh, Kobe can't share the ball" or whatever is baloney. Part of why Kobe dominates the ball so much is because the Lakers haven't had any good perimeter players to give him any help. Sessions wasn't very good, Blake wasn't very good, Fisher, Morris etc etc...that led to Kobe not wanting to give them the ball and resulted in him handling the ball too much. Now he has a hall of fame point guard at his side, I think he'll be just fine sharing the ball. This is great for Kobe, and great for the Lakers. Don't oversimplify this into "Nash won't touch the ball playing with Kobe, and his defense is terrible." Nash is a hall of famer and a HUGE upgrade over Sessions/Blake/Fisher and Kobe will be just fine sharing the floor and the ball with him. The Lakers have the potential to be scary good with this lineup.

(Also, a sidenote: all this talk of Nash and his defense costing his team--how many poor defenders do the Clippers have? Griffin is awful. Crawford is awful. Billups is 35 and coming off an injury and was only decent before. Jordan is OK but isn't a true defensive anchor yet. Butler is too slow at this point. Sure, Bledsoe, Hill, Paul, Turiaf are nice, but we have a bunch of rotation players who are poor defenders too. The Lakers still have their 2 7 footers and were ranked much higher than the Clippers last year defensively. I don't think Nash will kill that singlehandedly.)

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Nash is not the player that will take them to another title. Their problem was speed, youth, and athleticism. They didn't didn't do anything about that. In fact, they gave away their one chance at youth by giving up all those picks. The Suns made out big on that deal.

Anyway, as much as you say there won't be any problems with Kobe, the chance is still there. Sessions is proof of that. Sessions was actually playing great when he first got there. He started getting buzz fromk the fans and mysteriously, Brown asked him to slow his game down...Translation? Kobe wanted the ball. Sessions was never the same player. But don't believe me, read up on that on any given Lakers board.

When you add up the rumor of Kobe telling Howard he would be the 3rd option, then the possibility is very much alive.

Nash thrives feeding the bigs in a halfcourt game. The Lakers are NOT, I repeat, are not a transition team. When Nash is running the PnR with the bigs, I am pretty sure Kobe will speak up. It's not like Kobe has never been called out by his own players, right? Right?

Yes, it's freaking Steve Nash. One of my favorite players. I still don't think he meets any of the needs the Lakers should filled.

The Lakers starters minus Bynum are in their mid-thirties. Bynum plays like he's an old thirty year old. That team isn't sustainable.

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You're right that youth, athleticism, etc were problems--but so was the point guard position. Nash is a hall of famer and even if he's not the exact thing they needed, he will improve the team greatly. Teams that win championships can overcome certain holes and weaknesses if they have other strengths. Nash is a huge upgrade and will help out a lot.

And I think Kobe will treat Nash differently from Sessions. Sure, there's potential for problems, but a lot of Kobe not passing or whatever has to do with him not trusting certain players. When Pau starts playing soft or Bynum loses interest, Kobe stops feeding them. When Steve Blake or Sessions are stinking, Kobe won't pass to them. Nash is that much better. Kobe respects him and will treat him better.

I agree that age/depth is still a problem, but Nash can really improve the Lakers' offense, even if he didn't fill that specific age/athleticism bill. It kind of reminds me of the Heat. People saying LeBron and Wade play the exact same and can't play together, they don't have enough size on the team, etc etc. Instead of adding any significant bigs to their roster or a true point guard, they added a bunch of other wings, and won the title. They added Battier, and now Allen and Lewis, because they know that they can cover their weaknesses(size, point guard) by just playing whatever works for them, which meant going small. Their players are good enough to play with a lineup that would usually be considered filled with holes. The Lakers can do the same. They have two of the best bigs in the league, and two of the best guards in the league, and they'll make it work, even if it's unconventional or lacking in certain areas.

Even if Nash is relegated to being Steve Blake(handle the ball less, be a spot up shooter) isn't he still a huge upgrade? I think so. And I don't think he'll be relegated to that role.

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Nash helps them in some ways but I think he hurts them in areas they really needed. The Pau Gasol/Kobe Lakers have never had a problem scoring. But as soon as a speedy point guard penetrated against Derek Fisher, their defense broke down.

Nash is a better player than Sessions, but I thought Sessions filled their needs better than Nash did. Lakers are old and getting slower and slower.

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Last years' Lakers were actually a top rated defensive team that had trouble scoring. As good as Kobe is, and as little as he likes sharing the ball, he needed help. Nobody on the team could take any pressure off him on the perimeter. Now they have another option who can do damage when Kobe isn't doing everything. True, Nash isn't perfect and doesn't solve all their problems. But if anyone remembers watching those games when the Lakers couldn't score, when Kobe was frustrated as hell when Steve Blake and Sessions couldn't run an offense...those days are over.

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People keep making these remarks about players not fitting a system or fitting onto a team. The Heat made it work with LeBron and Wade and no center or real point guard. The Lakers can make this work.

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Its a joke when someone says Nash won't fit in with the Lakers. Nash can play with anyone. He is one of the best passers and playmakers this game has ever seen. Unlike the rumors of Kobe and Dwight. Kobe actually called Nash and let him know he was needed. I think Kobes stats actually goes up playing along with Nash. Nash is one of the smartest players in the history of the game. He surely understands that Kobe is still the Star of the Lakers. I think Nash knows that he must make a concerned effort to get kobe the ball. Kobe will find himself wide open for the first time in his career. Than when the defense switches on Kobe it will leave Bynum and Gasol wide open. The Lakers and OKC will be the top 2 in the west. The only thing that will slow Nash down is Nash. The team will scare the rest of the league. No matter what team Nash is on you can never count him out. Especially with Kobe and the Twin Towers. If D12 comes you can basically hand them the title.

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idk if those are exactly over because blake is still going to have to run the 2nd unit for a considerable amount of minutes because nash can only play 32-35 minutes at most. i know the lakers were in the top 10 in defense, but the problem is not that, it is that point guards with speed and skill (parker, cp3, westbrook, dragic to name a few) carved them up. they essentially got better on offense, but they lost a lot on defense. add jamison to the equation, and they lost more on d. i seriously think the clips are better than the lakers as an entire group. for one, we dont have one of our stars whining and bitching and making up his own rules (bynum) and second, our depth is second to none.

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Lakers were a good team last year and they'll be strong again this year, but I still think they won't get out of the 2nd round. Lakers had trouble controlling the Thunder defensively this year, and now their situation is that much worse. Lakers are going to have a strong regular season, but when they go up against the speedy point guards of the West, their weakness is gonna get exposed again. Lakers only chance of getting out of the West this year is if someone else beats the Thunder.

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Unless the Lakers trade for Dwight Howard, I don't think they have a team that will be able to contend for a Championship. They're just not a deep team. They've got one of the most talented starting lineups in the league(If Jamison starts), but once you get past their top 6 players, they've got some serious liabilities. They don't have many role players, which could be problematic for them when they face teams like OKC, San Antonio, or even the Clippers. Steve Nash is a terrific offensive player, but he's even a downgrade defensively compared to Sessions.

They'll make the playoffs and they'll win plenty of games during the regular season, but you can't win a championship unless you have 8-10 guys who can hold their own during playoff time. That's why I believe the Clippers may have a better chance come playoff time than the Lakers do.

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^excellent post. all good teams have more than 6 good players. hell even the heat, with their big 3 have good role players: miller, chalmers, battier, haslem, cole, jones, allen and lewis. thats what the thunder have, the clips have, san antonio. so to say that the clippers are beneath the lakers is definately a case of underrating this team. no one denies that nash is a good upgrade at the pg position. and so was jamison. but to think those moves trump our roster upgrades, is foolish. no offense meant, but resigning bills, and signing or trading for hill,crawford, green, odom, hollins, turiaf >>nash and jamison. yes the lakers beat us 2 out of 3, but they were close games. they basically have the same roster aside from nash and jamison but that wont be enough to beat us. the moves we made will carry us over the top. thats my opinion.

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if the lakers pick up meeks and miles i see them as the 3rd best team in the league maybe better then okc 2.

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yup and billups didnt play the last game or 2 games? plus we added crawford now, hill to guard kobe, cp3/bledsoe on nash, turiaf/hollins on bynum and LO to play motivated to play big against his old team, and willie green to give solid minutes. Also with an improved bledsoe and bigger role, an improved dj offensivley and more disciplined on d, and a new blake with a better overall game and jumper and more effort on d, and a better more expiernced coach theres no way were not better then the lakers RIGHT NOW. But once howard comes there better, adding meeks or miles will hurt more

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-GeoffClankinsDaddy- wrote:
if the lakers pick up meeks and miles i see them as the 3rd best team in the league maybe better then okc 2.

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I think its cool that some people in here root for both LAC & the LAL...but it does bug me when they seem to lean more to the LAL side......

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Soooo how in the world would they pick up Miles or Meeks, when they're flat broke right now, they are over the cap!

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They still have their mini mid-level to spend which is about 2.5 mill

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No, it's a joke to insinuate that anyone that disagree with you, is a joke.

When Nash had Porter and Shaq on the team, Nash wasn't the same player. He was so un-Nash like, that he complained about not liking the system. Porter was fired, Shaq was gone, and the Suns brought in a coach that would cater to the way Nash likes to play.

This is my proof that what I am saying is NOT A JOKE. This time around, Nash is a lot older, is not the star of this team, doesn't have the players that Nash is used to, and will play in a system that is, well, a structured system. So yeah, it's documented that Nash has played in a system that he wasn't thriving in, and didn't like.

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Nash couldn't play under Porter and with Shaq. Nash complained to media about his dislike for the system so they got rid of the player and coach Nash wasn't comfortable with. There is your proof that Nash couldn't make it work.

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^good point. thats why the lakers are trying very very hard to get howard, but it wont happen. because if nash has to play with bynum, it will be a worse situation than when shaq was playing with nash. they need howard, but i feel in the end howard ends up in dallas, signing there as a FA next offseason.

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