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Not even debatable a few years back but now????

The Buss kids dont seem to have the same win at any cost mentality, and sometimes make moves for luxury tax reasons. Jerry B, with rare exception, made a move if he could do it under the salary cap, notwithstanding the $ implications.

Now, DTS appears to be spending $ ... dare I say it ... wisely. While the Buss kids try to appease an aging superstar, add some spare parts, and desperately try to unload Bynum because they dont envision him as their future cornerstone.

The Lakers have the talent to win a title, but injuries and egos likely wont let that occur.

And its a roster of not-so-likable guys. Bynum, Kobe, Metta, Barnes (assuming they re-sign him) compared to Paul, Griffin, Butler, Hill- who would you rather let your kids watch?

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Cmon really? The only reason Lakers have some many rings is because they have like one of the best owner. So even though Im a Clipper fan, I gotta go with Buss. I'm really happy that Donald is really spending money to win now.

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I hate the Lakers but Jim Buss has run them very well and is a great owner.

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Jerry Buss>Sterling>Jim Buss

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^Agreed. Jim Buss has virtually eliminated the scouting operation, from what I have read. Thats bad news for the meduim and distant future. He has adopted a short term strategy to surround Kobe with as much veteran talent as he can, but the future looks bleak right now. Post- Kobe, and absent acquiring Dwight, the Lakers will look much like the post- MJ Bulls. Lots of expensive parts that dont make sense without the superstar.

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Until we actually prove it, it's a moot point.

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Sterling gave the Buss family it's start. If Not for Sterling, Bus would never have had the opportunity to own the Lakers. Buss made most of his money off the Lakers. Sterling loaned him the money to buy the team. Granted, Jerry went all in on his investment and made the most of it but it was Sterling who financed the deal.

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I heard Greta Van Susteren...err...Jimmy Buss uses his old bartending friends as scouts.

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Are those his scouts?

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pretty funny thread to start considering OP's screen name. I vote for Buss lol. Not really a close competition IMO.

But Sterling has done everything you could ask him for the past couple years except the Olshey thing which has turned out good for us but still was an embarrassment and risky move/non-move.

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Sterling gave the Buss family it's start. If Not for Sterling, Bus would never have had the opportunity to own the Lakers. Buss made most of his money off the Lakers. Sterling loaned him the money to buy the team. Granted, Jerry went all in on his investment and made the most of it but it was Sterling who financed the deal.
Right...Dr. Buss' main source of income nowadays IS the Lakers. He doesn't nearly have the real estate porfolio that Sterling has to, including his biggest cash cow next to the Lakers--the Forum (which has changed hands a few....

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Pretty subtle, huh?

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"Greta Van Susteren"

Priceless, Joe!

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Priceless, Joe!

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Picking up Steve Nash. Tells me that the Buss family is still by far the better owner. While DTS has improved tremendously. He still has a long time to go before we can truly have any comparison. Especially with what happened with Neil O and not forking the money for a quality coach still leaves a black hole and many questions on how much has DTS really improved. So for now it's definetly still the Buss family. Maybe DTS will catch up in the coming years. But only time will tell.

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giving 2 unprotected 1st picks along with 2 second rounders for a free agent who could have been gotten for free tells me they got swindled. The Suns are laughing all the way to the draft. If Nash declines, and the Lakers fall from grace ( more than they have), those picks to rebuild are GONE!

All you have to do is look at the Suns' message board to see how they feel about what they got for a player that was already gone with nothing to show for it.

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No, it just proves that they're kobe's bitches...

They gave away four draft picks just so that poor little bean can have one last shot at satisfying his MJ-envy... and screwed up their future in the process. Jerry Buss did a lot to show he was a good owner... Jim Buss is a buffoon. Just ask any laker fan.

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Picking up Steve Nash. Tells me that the Buss family is still by far the better owner. While DTS has improved tremendously. He still has a long time to go before we can truly have any comparison. Especially with what happened with Neil O and not forking the money for a quality coach still leaves a black hole and many questions on how much has DTS really improved. So for now it's definetly still the Buss family. Maybe DTS will catch up in the coming years. But only time will tell.

No, it just proves that they're kobe's bitches...

They gave away four draft picks just so that poor little bean can have one last shot at satisfying his MJ-envy... and screwed up their future in the process. Jerry Buss did a lot to show he was a good owner... Jim Buss is a buffoon. Just ask any laker fan.

I don't agree with this at all. Sorry!

I would have done the same thing.

Lakers have never really worried about future. I would rather worry about a Title now than keep worrying about the future. The Clippers have also put a lot in now. They have given up a lot in future. When u have a chance to win now. You go for it! Just like the Clips are finally doing.

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Shocked

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^ Like Joe said, they could have gotten Nash for free. It's no secret that laker fans are constantly shaking their heads at Jimmy-boy's moves.

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They couldnt have afforded him on their own

and i am by no means a lakers supporter but their front office has proven to be better every year. even last year they were able to as deep as we were in the playoffs and then they got better. Buss may suck but DT hasnt exactly proven to be a succesful owner yet.

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You guy are seriously forgetting that it was impossible to get Nash without a Sign and Trade. The Lakers only Had 3 Mill mid level exception. Nash was offered 36 mil by Toronto. He took 27 mil by the Lakers. I doubt he would have taken any less. The lakers had no choice but to deal with the Suns. I think they did a remarkable job. I am still Jealous that they were able to pull it off. It was the best addition to any team since the CP3 trade. The lakers shocked me and the rest of the world. They have put themselves back into title contenders. If they add D12 you can forget it. The Lakers will be in the finals and probably win it all.

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Agree and beyond!

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^ Like Joe said, they could have gotten Nash for free. It's no secret that laker fans are constantly shaking their heads at Jimmy-boy's moves.
You guy are seriously forgetting that it was impossible to get Nash without a Sign and Trade. The Lakers only Had 3 Mill mid level exception. Nash was offered 36 mil by Toronto. He took 27 mil by the Lakers. I doubt he would have taken any less. The lakers had no choice but to deal with the Suns. I think they did a remarkable job. I am still Jealous that they were able to pull....

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^ Like Joe said, they could have gotten Nash for free. It's no secret that laker fans are constantly shaking their heads at Jimmy-boy's moves.

You guy are seriously forgetting that it was impossible to get Nash without a Sign and Trade. The Lakers only Had 3 Mill mid level exception. Nash was offered 36 mil by Toronto. He took 27 mil by the Lakers. I doubt he would have taken any less. The lakers had no choice but to deal with the Suns. I think they did a remarkable job. I am still Jealous that they were able to pull it off. It was the best addition to any team since the CP3 trade. The lakers shocked me and the rest of the world. They have put themselves back into title contenders. If they add D12 you can forget it. The Lakers will be in the finals and probably win it all.

You're right about the S&T and them not being able to get him otherwise, but they seriously overpaid - both in assets and salary.

Does he make them a better team? absolutely... but calling his acquisition the best since CP3 is stretching it. The only starter he'll make significantly better is Gasol, because he's willing to run the floor, but kobe and Bynum's production will suffer. I'm sure of it.

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Toronto also gave Fields 20 million dollars. What's your point? That a bottom feeder team overpaying Nash try to and draw him to Toronto was a good deal? What were the Knicks offering?

What you fail to realize, the Lakers payed 27 million dollars, 2 unprotected 1st round picks, and 2 second rounders for a FA. The knicks or any other team were not going to pay that. So because a bottom feeder team was breaking the bank for him means that was the going price for Nash? Seriously, that's what you think?

You're right, the Lakers had no choice but to pay. And they paid a big price for Nash. That's doesn't make the Lakers great at recruiting talent, it makes them desperate for talent.

The Lakers once again have close to 100 million in salary. If they don't win a title next season, that makes them the stupidest team in the league thinking they can buy a title and lost.

They have a 100 million invested in old players. No future as of now, only 1-2 season window to beat the better teams.

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The Clippers have a lot invested now, and the main pieces are young, not old like the Lakers. That's what you're missing in your comparison.

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^ Like Joe said, they could have gotten Nash for free. It's no secret that laker fans are constantly shaking their heads at Jimmy-boy's moves.

You guy are seriously forgetting that it was impossible to get Nash without a Sign and Trade. The Lakers only Had 3 Mill mid level exception. Nash was offered 36 mil by Toronto. He took 27 mil by the Lakers. I doubt he would have taken any less. The lakers had no choice but to deal with the Suns. I think they did a remarkable job. I am still Jealous that they were able to pull it off. It was the best addition to any team since the CP3 trade. The lakers shocked me and the rest of the world. They have put themselves back into title contenders. If they add D12 you can forget it. The Lakers will be in the finals and probably win it all.

You're right about the S&T and them not being able to get him otherwise, but they seriously overpaid - both in assets and salary.

Does he make them a better team? absolutely... but calling his acquisition the best since CP3 is stretching it. The only starter he'll make better is Gasol, because he's willing to run the floor, but kobe and Bynum's production will suffer. I'm sure of it.

Have u seen a better Aquisition for any team that has more impact than Nash since the CP3 trade?

The fact Steve makes them better. Does it matter if Kobes avg Drops or goes up 2-3 Pts. Just the fact that the team will improve.

IMO Nash is the best passer in the game. While its possible that there stats might drop. I don't really see it happening. I think that Bryant's will remain the same in less minutes and a better percentage.

I definetly believe both Bynum and Gasols stats will rise. The team will play much better. We're talking about Steve Frickn Nash here. Come on guys I am not a Laker fan. But we need to be more realistic. There is no doubt to me Nash will improve the entire team!

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Well, they're the "Lakers", right? Where there is a will, there is a way...Ask Pat Riley as he was putting the Heatles together. Ask Boston when they got the three amigos. Even the Knicks cleared unmovable contracts to fit in the players they have now. Sure, maybe they couldn't do on their own, but they could have made moves to not pay that high price to get Nash. Cupcake must be slipping.

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I don't agree with this at all. Sorry!

I would have done the same thing.

Lakers have never really worried about future. I would rather worry about a Title now than keep worrying about the future. The Clippers have also put a lot in now. They have given up a lot in future. When u have a chance to win now. You go for it! Just like the Clips are finally doing.

The Clippers have a lot invested now, and the main pieces are young, not old like the Lakers. That's what you're missing in your comparison.

Bro are u trying to fool yourself or us?

When the season begins

Hill will be 40

Billups 36 and injured

Odom 32

Crawford will turn 33 in March

In my book both teams have old players. So what are u talking about?

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Yup, they had TPE to use. Too bad the Suns milked Cupcake for all those picks to play along with them. It's not like the Suns had to take back any contracts to get those picks, it was just a basic swindle..."pay to play" kinda thing. That's my whole point. Sarver coudl have been cool and let him walk for free, but he didn't. he played the Lakers and came out winning knowing Nash was walking anyway.

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Bro are u trying to fool yourself or us?

When the season begins

Hill will be 40

Billups 36 and injured

Odom 32

Crawford will turn 33 in March

In my book both teams have old players. So what are u talking about?

Bro, are you fooling yourself or are you playing a fool?

Hill is a role player making less than 2 million on a 2 year contract.

Billups is on a one year deal...Of the books next season

Odom is on a one year deal..." "

Crawford on a 2 year guaranteed deal.

Just in case you didn't comprehend my simple sentence, here it is again:

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The Clippers have a lot invested now, and the main pieces are young, not old like the Lakers. That's what you're missing in your comparison.

Who on your list is a MAIN PIECE?! Figure out what I am talking about. I basically gave you the answer.

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The only core player the lakers have under 30 years old is Bynum. Clips have Blake, CP, DJ and an emerging Bledsoe.

Both teams are long in the tooth, but our big minute-eaters are waaaaaaay younger.

Add to that the fact that they were a mediocre defensive team last year and their big additions are both matadors... that tells me that their PPG will rise in direct correlation with how much physical effort they put into running the floor (Nash is not a half-court PG) - expending more energy from their grizzled starters, but their opponents' PPG will rise even more.

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LMFAO! lol

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Seriously, what's hard about this:

"The Clippers have a lot invested now, and the main pieces are young"

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You guy are seriously forgetting that it was impossible to get Nash without a Sign and Trade. The Lakers only Had 3 Mill mid level exception. Nash was offered 36 mil by Toronto. He took 27 mil by the Lakers. I doubt he would have taken any less. The lakers had no choice but to deal with the Suns. I think they did a remarkable job. I am still Jealous that they were able to pull it off. It was the best addition to any team since the CP3 trade. The lakers shocked me and the rest of the world. They have put themselves back into title contenders. If they add D12 you can forget it. The Lakers will be in the finals and probably win it all.

Toronto also gave Fields 20 million dollars. What's your point? That a bottom feeder team overpaying Nash try to and draw him to Toronto was a good deal? What were the Knicks offering?

What you fail to realize, the Lakers payed 27 million dollars, 2 unprotected 1st round picks, and 2 second rounders for a FA. The knicks or any other team were not going to pay that. So because a bottom feeder team was breaking the bank for him means that was the going price for Nash? Seriously, that's what you think?

You're right, the Lakers had no choice but to pay. And they paid a big price for Nash. That's doesn't make the Lakers great at recruiting talent, it makes them desperate for talent.

The Lakers once again have close to 100 million in salary. If they don't win a title next season, that makes them the stupidest team in the league thinking they can buy a title and lost.

They have a 100 million invested in old players. No future as of now, only 1-2 season window to beat the better teams.

And your point is?

Nothing your saying makes any real sense.

The Lakers have once more become real contenders. Your point on Toronto is ridiculous. The bottom line was the Lakers needed to pay Nash.

Nash is a quality pickup and most would agree that the Lakers did what they had to do. In order 2 go after one of the best PGs in the history of the league. The man lead the league in assists at 37. There is no reason to believe that he won't be able to do it again. Buss is looking to win Titles. The Lakers rarely get anyone from the Draft anyways. They found a way to trade Vlade for a man Named Kobe. I am positive that when the times come they will find a way 2 make it happen again. The Lakers have never shyed away from adding quality talent. They are considered one of the best franchises in all of sports. I can only wish that DTS will follow in there footsteps. So that the Clippers can truly be crowned the kings of Los Angeles. ClipperJoe I hate being critical with you. But the more I Read. I am beggining to believe that you are just stuck on trying to be right. Regardless of what topic topic you are discussing. It seems to me that you are a true Clipper Fan. Because you dont seem to have any Valid points on anything that is outside supporting every decision that favors the Clippers.

I love the Clippers! But I won't be blind to reality! I try to find some common ground on your views. But I find it extremely difficult. Because your views are very narrow minded. It is extremely difficult even trying to discuss basketball with you. Because your trying to always be right. No human can be right all the time. I seriously believe that CTB members will lose all respect for your posts. I am trying not to be rude or disrespectful. So I hope you take this in a good way. I just hope you learn to take things more into consideration prior to commenting. The problem is you can't tell when your totally off a topic. Here is hoping that u can try to open up and understand it from a different perspective. One that it more realistic. Would make u a much better poster.

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That's why I have no real patience with you. Of course it isn't going to make sense to you. Even when it is literally spelled out for you, you can't make sense of it.

Anyway, you have tendency to focus on certain words, and argue a totally different point. We'll see how great the Lakers fair this upcoming season.

Paying almost 100 million in salary should win you a title right? We'll see...

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^ That $100,000,000 doesn't even include the salaries of their medical staff - who should be asking for a big raise for having to take care of that roster Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_03

With the "jersey ads" coming in the 2013-14 season, and them still having to pay kobe, Gasol, Nash and Artest for that year, I think I may have found the perfect sponsor...

or there's always this one...

...although kobe wearing that at a Nugs home game might scare some of Denver's female fans away.

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Nash doesn't solve Lakers problems at all.Nash can't stop Westbrook.Westbrook,Harden and Durant are going to be a lot better this year while the Lakers are a year older.Durant,Harden and Westbrook are still improving and now will be coming into the season with Olympic experience which is huge.If Lakers get D12 and he stays healthy than I see the argument but as of now they still lose to OKC.

As far as the topic I agree with who ever said Jerry>Sterling>Jim.When Kobe and Nash retire,which could happen in the next 2 seasons,Lakers have nothing to rebuild with unless they trade for picks.And they are trying to move Bynum for a great player but a player who flip flops.If D12 does sign extention with the Lakers what makes you think he would want to stay when Nash and Kobe retire?So he can play with Metta,Gasol,and Steve Blake...haha.He might demand a trade and then your stuck with a upset Star surrounded by good-mediocre players and no draft picks.

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Dude I swear. That you have. A major investment in. A punctuation factory! But I don't know. If it's true!

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clipper*joe wrote:
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And your point is?

Nothing your saying makes any real sense.

That's why I have no real patience with you. Of course it isn't going to make sense to you. Even when it is literally spelled out for you, you can't make sense of it.

Anyway, you have tendency to focus on certain words, and argue a totally different point. We'll see how great the Lakers fair this upcoming season.

Paying almost 100 million in salary should win you a title right? We'll see...

Honestly I can care less. I tried to find some common ground. But it is pointless to talk with someone that really has no true arguments. I find most of your threads useless. I rarely see you stick on point. Every thread I read by you is simply trying to misguide the conversation. You Completly change the subject and try to twist the conversation. For example Laundry Fields. Just a mute point. Unfortunately your threads are the ones that I find to be the most unrealistic. Even when I tried to find something positive in your posts. It's like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. The funny thing is contrary to what u think I have nothing against you. Other than your ideas that are way off when it comes to topics relating to basketball. While some might enjoy you trashing anything that is not in support of what the Clippers do and there front office. I most definetly am not. I enjoy honesty, realism and truth in regards to the Clippers and there true chances. I can't deal with unrealistic views of someone that is clearly blinded.

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Wow, I'm useless but you're the guy spitting out crap about being able to get Brand off of waivers and saying Jerry West drafted Bynum and Marc Gasol? If I'm useless, what does that make you? Worthless?

You never use facts in a discussion. You make stuff up as you go along. Instead of having a decent argument with you, it seems I have to waste time teaching, or explaining things to you.

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Really think that? Not that I give a flying frack about respect on a message board but I think you're more consumed with that. I'll let my POV speak for me while you tell david why your big star turned to 2 smaller ones in your reputation under your avatar.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Picking up Steve Nash. Tells me that the Buss family is still by far the better owner. While DTS has improved tremendously. He still has a long time to go before we can truly have any comparison. Especially with what happened with Neil O and not forking the money for a quality coach still leaves a black hole and many questions on how much has DTS really improved. So for now it's definetly still the Buss family. Maybe DTS will catch up in the coming years. But only time will tell.

giving 2 unprotected 1st picks along with 2 second rounders for a free agent who could have been gotten for free tells me they got swindled. The Suns are laughing all the way to the draft. If Nash declines, and the Lakers fall from grace ( more than they have), those picks to rebuild are GONE!

All you have to do is look at the Suns' message board to see how they feel about what they got for a player that was already gone with nothing to show for it.

I completely agree.Suns won big in the deal.Not only did they get much younger,they also have more then enough to rebuild.Also their team now isn't that bad.

PG-Dragic/Marshall/Telfair

SG-Brown/W.Johnson

SF-Beasley/Dudley

PF-Scola/Morris

C-Gortat/Fry

Not contenders for sure but a solid group of guys.

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Honestly I can care less. I tried to find some common ground. But it is pointless to talk with someone that really has no true arguments. I find most of your threads useless. I rarely see you stick on point. Every thread I read by you is simply trying to misguide the conversation. You Completly change the subject and try to twist the conversation. For example Laundry Fields. Just a mute point. Unfortunately your threads are the ones that I find to be the most unrealistic. Even when I tried to find something positive in your posts. It's like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. The funny thing is contrary to what u think I have nothing against you. Other than your ideas that are way off when it comes to topics relating to basketYball. While some might enjoy you trashing anything that is not in support of what the Clippers do and there front office. I most definetly am not. I enjoy honesty, realism and truth in regards to the Clippers and there true chances. I can't deal with unrealistic views of someone that is clearly blinded.

Wow, I'm useless but you're the guy spitting out crap about being able to get Brand off of waivers and saying Jerry West drafted Bynum and Marc Gasol? If I'm useless, what does that make you? Worthless?

You never use facts in a discussion. You make stuff up as you go along. Instead of having a decent argument with you, it seems I have to waste time teaching, or explaining things to you.

I think your great when pointing out details. But your horrible about remaining on point concerning any topic. Again anyone that reads the posts knows that I was not concerned about who was the person who drafted them. The main topic was how the Lakers Drafted the players. If the topic was Jerry West than your argument makes more sense. Since the topic had nothing to do with West other than displaying Laker past Draft picks.

Like I said you need to look past muted details and understand the conversation. Something u simply have displayed u can not comprehend. Like I said the fact that you are good at pointing out minor details does not sum up the major topic that is being spoken about. It just shows that you try to find any minor error or typo to prove your point. Most readers understand that it does not effect the topic. Clearly again trying to point this out is useless.

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jim buss worst year (2nd round) playoff is sterling's best year. if iam not mistaken didnt buss won back to back in 09-10. until sterling wins a championship buss>sterling not even close

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I agree but I am surprised you haven't called Sterling cheap lately.

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jim buss worst year (2nd round) playoff is sterling's best year. if iam not mistaken didnt buss won back to back in 09-10. until sterling wins a championship buss>sterling not even close

I agree but I am surprised you haven't called Sterling cheap lately.

comparing to buss he's cheap.

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Buss has had the Lakers in the playoffs so many years you can't really compare him to DTS. DTS has been a cellar dweller for years but has seemed to make more right then wrong decisions of late. Past 8 years or so by my calculations. The Clippers have a long way to go and IMO should not be compared to the Lakers right now. We need to give it more time and see how things play out in the next 5 to 10 years.

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OK, I get the deep history lesson, it's no contest. Maybe I didnt tee this up very well for ya'll. Let me try again.

TODAY, if you were a decent NBA caliber shooter or defender and were being recruited as a role player who would you rather play for ... DTS or the current Buss braintrust? And more to the point, which team would you rather sign a 3 year contract with?

Here's one scenario: In 3 years, barring a major injury, Kobe's skills will have further diminished and he has become an ok defender and a jump shooter. Nash will be done. Bynum may well be traded or sign elsewhere and even if he's around, his motivation and A game shows up sporadically. Gasol is still a decent player but on the decline as well. The Lakers have a very old team and no money to spend until Kobe retires.

The Clippers on the other hand ... now have a developed superstar just entering his prime with excellent low post moves and can play passable defense, a monster big man defender in the middle, still one of the best point gaurds in the league, the best 6th man in the league (Bledsoe) who eats second team guards for lunch, all surrounded by a cast of shooters and defenders.

3 decades of Laker history tell me to sign there, but very recent history and current circumstances say pick the Clips ... and that's exactly what happended this summer.

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