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Post subject: What about Rip Hamiliton or Chauncey Billups
 Posted: Jun 01, 2008 - 07:24 PM PST
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| I heard that Detroit might be open to rebuilding. What if we were to trade our 7th pick and Mobley for either Chauncey Billups or Rip Hamilton. If we took Billups, who has a big contract, I would not include this years pick. He's got 50 million left and he's old now. However, I would do the trade for Rip Hamiliton straight up with Mobley for the pick. I'd prefer a package deal where we could trade for both players and then let Maggette go. But, I'm not sure I'd let Maggette go yet. If he signs else where, he is risking not getting a lot of money, and I wouldn't give him away. He still can put up 23 points a game and he is definately worth more than T.J. Ford. |
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Post subject: RE: What about Rip Hamiliton or Chauncey Billups
Posted: Jun 02, 2008 - 01:04 PM PST
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| I wouldn't go for Billups- as you said his contract is too big, and we would have to give up a lot. I'm not sure that Detroit Pistons would trade Rip Hamilton for Cat Mobley + our pick either. But if they would that certainly seems interesting. |
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Post subject: RE: What about Rip Hamiliton or Chauncey Billups
Posted: Jun 02, 2008 - 02:32 PM PST
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| yeah it seems interesting but Mobley isnt the same scoring threat that he used to be and his defense is not good. Hamilton and Billups are allstars and detroit would never trade either of them for an aging veteran and an unnacomplisehed draft pick. Maybe a sign-and trade with maggette and the pick, but I doubt either of those two have any chance of coming to los angeles |
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Post subject: Billups or Sheed...anyone????
Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 08:55 PM PST
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Why Billups, 'Sheed most likely to be traded
How about that Joe Dumars? He fired his coach, then made bigger news at the press conference.
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The Pistons president said he will try to shake up his core, a surprisingly bold statement intended to send a message to the rest of the league: Call me.
Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace are most likely to go. Richard Hamilton and Antonio McDyess are most likely to stay. Tayshaun Prince falls somewhere in between. I will explain all that in a second. But first, a word about the coach:
Michael Curry is the heavy favorite to be the next coach. This does not mean it's a done deal. It definitely won't happen this week.
Dumars will talk to Pistons assistant Terry Porter, the former Milwaukee head coach, and former Mavericks coach Avery Johnson, a fellow Louisianan who is interested in the job. But the job clearly is Curry's to lose, and he is unlikely to lose it.
When the new coach holds his first practice, which starter will be gone? I'll list them in order, from most likely to be traded to least likely:
1. Chauncey Billups
Last summer, the Pistons invested up to $60.5 million in Mr. Big Shot. So why is he the most likely to go? A few reasons.
Dumars talked Tuesday about a lack of urgency in his players. Billups is as responsible for that as anybody. Dumars surely wants a renewed emphasis on defense, and Billups is the weakest defender among starters.
Billups is most likely to go because teams covet point guards more than other positions, and the Pistons have two.
The Pistons believe Rodney Stuckey can be an elite point guard -- sooner rather than later. Billups, meanwhile, is still an All-Star-caliber player. Anybody with a young roster and a hole at point guard would have to be interested in him.
Billups has four years left on his contract, but the last year is not guaranteed. He is owed $36.3 million over the next three years -- reasonable by the NBA's unreasonable standards. So he is highly tradeable.
With Stuckey in the fold, the Pistons could package Billups and a young bench player for a high-scoring forward.
2. Rasheed Wallace
Wallace easily could go, but it's not just because the Pistons simply want to wash their hands of him. It is because he has high trade value.
Wallace's contract is up after next season, and in the wacky world of the NBA, that makes him more attractive to others. Expiring contracts mean future salary-cap space.
Wallace also is a 6-foot-10 forward with rare skills (though he didn't flash those skills enough during the Boston series). A contender might see him as the missing piece, and seeing as he has one year left on his deal, the risk is limited.
Dumars received several calls about Wallace last summer. He didn't really consider a trade then. He'll listen hard this time.
3. Tayshaun Prince
Other teams will want Prince for obvious reasons: He is the youngest Pistons starter (28 yrs) , he has a reputation as an elite defensive player, and he is versatile.
But at times in recent years, Prince has not lived up to his defensive reputation -- he got torched by LeBron James in last year's playoffs and overpowered, at times, by Paul Pierce in this year's conference finals. Worse, Prince sometimes disappears offensively when he draws a big defensive assignment.
Prince might have saved his Pistons career with his performance in the first two rounds of the playoffs, when he was the team's best player. If he goes, it probably would be in a package with Billups or Wallace for a star.
4. Antonio McDyess
Sense of urgency? If anything, McDyess has too much of a sense of urgency. When the team loses two straight in January, he is apoplectic.
McDyess probably has more value to the Pistons than to anybody else. His attitude, reasonable contract and skill set are all appealing to the Pistons. But he turns 34 in September and is unlikely to fetch a big offer.
Expect him back.
5. Richard Hamilton
Rip isn't going anywhere. He is still among the best in the NBA at using screens, and he is a rare player who can average 20 points without dominating the ball.
Hamilton often has been compared to Reggie Miller -- another long, thin jump shooter who kept himself in great shape. Miller was an effective player into his late 30s. Rip is 30.
Of course, other teams like Hamilton for the same reasons. But if the Pistons trade him, they would need to acquire somebody with similar skills in the deal, and why trade Rip for a Rip imitation?
Besides, Hamilton would provide a perfect complement to Stuckey, who can drive to the basket at will but needs to work on his jump shot.
A Hamilton-Stuckey backcourt could keep the Pistons in contention for several years. And you might see it as soon as next season.
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Post subject: RE: Billups or Sheed...anyone????
Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 10:19 PM PST
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| Sheed...I wouldnt want him unless I had a championship caliber team in place already and just needed some depth at PF/C. Billups is probably gonna want too much. While it'd be great to sign him for a 2 year deal, it's probably gonna be pricey. I'd rather go young and build around Kaman & Thornton and hopefully a still productive Elton Brand for maybe 5 more years. |
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Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 10:42 PM PST
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I might do a trade for Chauncey Billups for Corey Maggette. I don't know how effective Chauncey Billups is right now, but I could not resist putting a champion and a veteran on are team at point. That is exactly what are team needs. He is around 30 or 31 which is a concern, but not much. If we cannot get Ben Gordon, than I would possibly go for it. I'd prefer Rip Hamilton, and I would trade my 7th pick for him. I would not trade my 7th pick for Billups unless I had to, because of the contract. I might do a swap of Maggette for Rasheed wallace.
Still, my preference would be to sign Ben Gordon, then Rip Hamilton, in that order. I always worry about getting a point guard who is over 30 years old. In some cases, like Sam and John Stockton, they flourish as they get older. But look at Bibby or Gary Payton, or any number of players that hit there 30s. It's risky. |
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Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 10:47 PM PST
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I think they would trade for the 7th pick and Mobley for Rip Hamilton. They want to rebuild and who else will give up their pick from1-6. All those teams are rebuilding except for us. If Detroit wants to rebuild and falls in love with a player, they might do the deal.
If worst comes to worst, we could trade our 7th and mobley for Billups, and then resign Maggette. That would free money up.
Billups
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Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 10:51 PM PST
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| ^^Actually that sure sounds like a nice line up- I'd like that. |
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Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 10:55 PM PST
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| Rasheed Wallace sure sounds interesting, but we already have EB. I'd go for Maggette + our pick for Rip + their first rounder. If they want to get rid of Billups we can give them the same deal too. |
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Posted: Jun 04, 2008 - 11:59 PM PST
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oops! I just noticed we have 2 threads with the same topic. I think this one came first. My bad!!!!
David, can we merge them???? Sorry bout that Clippersblue. |
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Posted: Jun 05, 2008 - 02:21 AM PST
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