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no1wammy
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austin009009
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how do people keep saying the clippers did not improve much this season. Grant Hill> Bobby Simmons. Lamer Odom> Kenyon and reggie. Jamal crawford = mo wiliams + size. ryan hollins and ronnie turiaf- true backup centers.

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these guys are IDIOTS

cleepers
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Here's the link...

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lak ... s-clippers

I couldn't get through any more than the first couple of minutes. Just more ESPN laker brown-nosing... and now it appears that they've recruited Arnovitz as well. Isn't he supposed to be a Clips fan? Dude was laughing along with their cliched jabs at the team like a nerd who's finally allowed to sit at the cool kids' lunch-table.

If there's one thing worse than a bandwagon 'fan', it's a guy who won't represent when the going gets a little tough. Go suck laker balls, Arnovitz... you won't be missed by me.

tense2
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Yawn..same old, same old....the ONLY way we're going to get the respect and start to change the mind set of these and other so-called basketball *cough-cough* experts/basketball insiders, is win more games during the season and go further in the PO's. Who's better than who on paper is entertaining, but than you actually have to play the games and sometimes things don't quite work out like it looked on paper....being an Angels fan I know disappointment is the flip side.

Blah, blah, blah..let the games begin.

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I think someone put a pod in Arnovitz's room after he went to sleep. wink

no1wammy
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But they also make it a requirement that the Clippers beat the Lakers, too. I think the basketball gods are going to force that by rigging the playoff system. They even projected the Clips to be an 8th seed, meaning they'll have to replicate the performance of the NHL's LA Kings (recalls the great Jonathan Quick speech).

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Basically the K-Brothers get paid to tell Laker Fans what they want to hear.

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Because everyone is a Laker homer and you know what,,eff 'em. OUr guys will do the talking on the court

FreaKeyy
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hahaha wow.. well what do you guys expect?

MrB
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That was an unbiased take on the lakers by ESPN journalists. I've come to expect nothing less then the best Laker love from ESPN and it's affiliated crew. They should just hand the paper champions their paper trophy and call it a day. Why even play an 82 game season when everyone knows who's gonna win. The Clippers are a dog franchise with a dog team. How could anyone ever stop to think that they could actually beat the great Laker franchise in anything.

ESPN is disgusting form of journalism. I guess they never had ethics classes because I thought journalists were just supposed to report the news without any sort of bias.

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ESPN is a joke. LOL...

LobAngelesBlakers
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Arnovitz was never a true Clippers fan, he seems to be a really momentum savvy bandwagoner

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I don't mind Arnovitz, he's the closest thing to a Clippper fan that ESPN has besides beat writers. He's still a complete Jack*ss, but hes our Jack*ss.

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LobAngelesBlakers wrote:
cleepers wrote:
Here's the link...

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lak ... s-clippers

I couldn't get through any more than the first couple of minutes. Just more ESPN laker brown-nosing... and now it appears that they've recruited Arnovitz as well. Isn't he supposed to be a Clips fan? Dude was laughing along with their cliched jabs at the team like a nerd who's finally allowed to sit at the cool kids' lunch-table.

If there's one thing worse than a bandwagon 'fan', it's a guy who won't represent when the going gets a little tough. Go suck laker balls, Arnovitz... you won't be missed by me.

Arnovitz was never a true Clippers fan, he seems to be a really momentum savvy bandwagoner

Wasn't he the originator of the Clipper Blog site?...hmmm.

ClipSince7thGrade
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Yeah we have no GM but we made moves that improved our team further than just our lineup. Dumba**.

Jamal Crawford>>>>>>>>>Randy Foye (no contest)

Jamal Crawford, just like Austin said, equal to Mo plus the size.

L.O. I'd take over Reggie because we still have the nasty in your face rebounding but when L.O. gets an offensive rebound he's putting that back and if he gets fouled he's making those. Now L.O. compared to Kmart is hard for me because I'm a huge Kmart fan and have a bias, but I must say that L.O. is better. Now Grant Hill is head a shoulders better than Nick Young. Now I love Young hated to see him end up with the Sixers but Grant is better period. We have two LEGIT backup centers now. I don't see where the Clippers didn't improve. I think this squad is better than last years, you know what, I know it's better. We've gotten bigger and we've gained A LOT of experience this past season and gained even more with the pickups we've made. Now if we get Kmart back coming off the bench we are monsters. I can't wait till this season starts and all theses people that are saying that the Clippers haven't improved will be eating their words.

CP3Best
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This is a joke, our team is too much better than last season!

clipper.scrappy
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pretty fair analysis

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I think a lot of people have to understand that both teams made some moves to improve their squads. The lakers simply added a major piece that many sports journalists were going to salivate over. People have to understand that once the lakers got dwight howard they improved the center position. also they added antwon jamison, and steve nash to a roster that beat us 2/3 games last season, so they are the team to beat. I like our depth and having chauncey back will be huge. i have faith that we can beat the lakers, but until these games are played and a winner is crowned the lakers earned the favorite nod.

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We had no bigs when we played the lakers the first 2 times, and we didn't have a training camp for our new additions, which is why I think Butler will be a little better this season!

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Seems like the conventional "wisdom" over at ESPN is that the Clippers could be pretty good if we can overcome the issues of age, injury, coaching, temperament and chemistry.

But clearly the lakers have NONE of those issues, so they're going to be unstoppable.

Smart cookies, those bloggers.

Mistwell
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I think Lakers are better than the Clippers this year. Both teams got better, but Lakers improvement is greater than the Clippers improvement. As it should be, when they spend double what we spend to get there. I hope I am wrong and we beat them this year, but if forced to predict, I'd predict the Lakers are better.

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the bigs werent the issue. We only had chris paul for six minutes in game 2 and game 3 we were without chauncey. Either way the lakers beat us and injuries are part of the game. We got jamal crawford as insurance in case billups goes down again. This is a better clipper team than last year and for once im very proud of donald sterling for giving us a team to be proud of

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thats ESPN for you cleepers. Its like tuning on rush limbaugh and epecting a fair analysis of politics. Still i think if we win this series and win the pacific their tune will change. I really want this to be the year we beat the lakers both in direct competition and pacific standings

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FightOnRon wrote:
austin009009 wrote:
how do people keep saying the clippers did not improve much this season. Grant Hill> Bobby Simmons. Lamer Odom> Kenyon and reggie. Jamal crawford = mo wiliams + size. ryan hollins and ronnie turiaf- true backup centers.

Because everyone is a Laker homer and you know what,,eff 'em. OUr guys will do the talking on the court

exactly

seanrooks
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To be fair, for all the talk about the Lakers' age/injury problems, their big 4 don't have trouble staying on the floor and being productive. All this talk about Steve Nash's back and his age--he missed 4 games last year and has missed 21 games the past 5 seasons combined--an average of 4.2 games missed per year. Not to mention that while his scoring dropped off a bit, he's still one of the games best(if not the best) passers and his scoring efficiency is still through the roof. Kobe sat out those 8 games last year, which isn't that much--but he only missed 9 during the previous 4 seasons. Gasol has missed one game the past 2 seasons combined. Howard has a history of not missing games, but does have the back injury, which should be the most serious concern. Still, all this talk about Howard's back being a problem this year--don't Clipper fans get upset the same way when people talk about Griffin's/Paul's knee injuries? People say "Howard's back is serious issue!" but if it's "Griffin's knees are serious issue" Clipper fans go nuts. And Griffin has already had 2 knee surgeries. So these aren't players with injury history. I expect Howard to be fine, if not by the start of the season, for sure by playoff time, when it really matters. It might just be wishful thinking that we want Howard to not be healthy, but I don't think this injury is as serious as some of us think.

On the Clippers side, there are more injury issues. Griffin just had knee surgery--and while he should be fine, surgery is surgery. Paul had hand surgery and has a history with his knees as well. Grant Hill is in the same boat as Nash: old, but relatively healthy the past few years. Still, he's 40, and it's unfair to say Nash and Kobe are old and have injury problems when Hill is 2 years older than Nash and 6 years older than Kobe. Odom is coming off the worst year of his career, and while he won't be that bad again most likely, what are the chances of him fully regaining his prime Lakers form at age 33? Some players age well--Kobe, Nash come to mind--and some don't. Odom hasn't aged well so far, but I'm hoping that it was situational thing and that he bounces back. Still, how well he plays is a big question mark. Similarly, Crawford's numbers have dropped off each of the past 2 seasons, and he is also 32. Is it possible he bounces back now that he's on a good team with an elite point guard? Yeah, but it's also possible he's just on the decline. Billups is 35 and coming off a serious injury. Butler is 32 and hasn't been the same since his knee surgery 2 years ago. So yes, the Lakers have some questions with their depth and injuries--but we probably have even more questions. Obviously it's a problem for the Lakers if one of their big 4 does have injury problems, since we at least can cover a bunch of our injuries with depth that they don't have, but if you really look at the age/injury histories of these players, the Clippers are still a little behind the Lakers.

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^ My point is that all these questions are asked of us, but none of the same questions apply to the lakers.

Even you do it... "I expect Howard to be fine", but "Griffin just had knee surgery--and while he should be fine, surgery is surgery." See the subtle difference in those statements?

If kobe at 34 isn't "old", then why is Crawford at 32?

The fact is, the lakers are relying on Nash and kobe much more than we are leaning on Hill and Crawford. 4 of their starting 5 are in their 30's, where we have 2 guys of that age starting.

I'm not saying that the issues I mentioned are not factors for BOTH teams, but theirs are being swept under the rug while ours are being highlighted by ESPN.

Like Page said... it's like listening to Rush Limbaugh and expecting fair political analysis.

seanrooks
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You're right about my wording with the Howard and Griffin injuries--but I was making a point that on this site, Griffin's injury is overlooked while Howard's is overblown. I probably come off a little anti-Clipper sometimes just because I'm trying so hard to show the other side of the coin. And the point I was making about players aging differently--Nash and Kobe are still good players, even if their stats have tapered off a bit. Crawford's numbers have now decreased in each of the past 2 seasons. Some players, like Nash, can play til they're 38. Some guys are washed up by the time they're 30. It varies from player to player--differences in playing style, work ethic, injury history, etc affect how players age. Nash and Kobe are known as hard workers who keep in great shape, and have playing styles that age well(Kobe has added a post game to offset his loss of athleticism, Nash never really relied on athleticism that much to begin with). Even if Crawford is younger, 32 is still considered past your prime, so if he's declined the past 2 seasons, it's not the best sign.

And I agree that for the most part these guys we are relying on aren't our main players, but our teams are also built differently. It's hard to compare. Still, I just wanted to point out that, just based on recent history, the Clippers could have more problems with health and integrating players than the Lakers will. But obviously both teams have a bunch of problems and questions to sort out.

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Griffin had minor surgery, that's what athroscopic surgery is, while D12 needed back surgery and was out way more than Griffin, you tell me which is more major!

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I can understand you trying to put out a balanced opinion/assessment of each team's chances. I happen to think both teams have age and injury concerns.

Chauncey and Hill are no spring chickens, but neither is Nash... and he's supposed to be running their team. Neither of our guys have that responsibility, and their backups are far more 'starter-ready'.

Griffin's knee is also a concern, since he's the franchise guy, but he hasn't missed a game since entering the NBA... Howard will have missed close to an entire season by the time he gets back.

Yes, CP3 just had surgery on his thumb... but kobe has known wrist, knee and shin issues... and 10 more years' mileage on his clock.

My beef is with ESPN... they laugh at the mere mention of Del Negro's offense, but Mike Clown gets a free pass. They question Lamar's emotional capacity to come back strong (even though the very reason for him being so upset - being away from L.A. and being traded for nothing - has been removed with him coming back home... and we're paying his full salary), yet they don't seem to address potential chemistry issues between two of the biggest egos in the league.

We are a fan site... I think we're entitled to a little homerism. None of us are being paid to give objective analysis, but apparently... neither is anyone at ESPN.

You're right that the teams are constructed differently... we went for depth to cover any contingency, the lakers put all their eggs in one basket. If they stay healthy, they're scary... and so are we. The difference is, if they lose any one of their top 4 guys they decline significantly... in the same situation, we're STILL scary.

For these 'journalists' to put both team's seasons to bed already - as if they're talking about the Bobcats versus the Heat - is unprofessional and reeks of bias.

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Correction BG missed his entire 1st season, he got injured in the preseason, but everything else, wonderful comment!

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^ He'd never played an NBA game when he got injured, hence he was rookie of the year the following season. Since starting his first NBA game (his FIRST season), he has started all 159 NBA games that the team has played...

82 reg. + 66 reg. + 11 playoffs.

Though he was drafted a year before he got to play, his record says that he has never missed a game.

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Anybody who says we don't stand a chance against the Lakers is looking into stats too much, When you have the greatest Floor general in the league and some of the greatest locker room guys in the history of the NBA our chemistry could overwhelm teams. Did i mention we have a 23 year old Superstar. We are a TEAM the Lakers are a GROUP.

CP3Best
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Man Griffin is indeed great isn't he! Clippers got lucky to get him! Guess heaven suddenly decided it was time for clippers to shine and lakers to whine!

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I have to commend you on an earlier point you made. You were correct in that if one of the lakers starters go down they will be in big trouble, whereas if one of our guys go down we have a deep bench to offset that loss. This is the nba and we all know injuries will happen. in that regard I love that contingencies have been made for such an occurrence. In this regard yes we do have the advantage over the lakers

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^ Thanks, man.

Our depth is what's going to get us to the playoffs healthy and fresh.

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The Lakers have too much star power to not beat anybody in the league on any given day, assuming they all can co-exist. Even with disrupted Chemistry, it's hard to see how we can beat them but that doesn't mean it cant be done.

There's so much character on this team without having Characters. Our team has motive, From Blake Griffin wanting to prove to the world that he's the best power forward in the league, to Lamar Odom proving that he's still got what it takes to be a solid contributor in this league. The Lakers are a team full of Egos and Characters that may or may not mesh well together. They should be in the top 3 both offensively and defensively if all things go according to plan, but even then The Clippers will to fight and persevere, will be what propels them past the Lakers. The Leadership on our team is second to none, and that's what is going to make us contenders.

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Jamal Crawford is not equal to Mo Williams... Jamal Crawford is better. Belive me... CP3 knows.

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We beat the best team in the West 3/4 times last year, I think we can do it again with the lakers, with all the additions we have made!

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This take is extremely arrogant - typical of delusional Laker fans. The K Bros are so biased that it gives no credibility to anything they said. This was a total waste of time. The only people that care about this take is other delusional Laker fans. How can anyone not see this is totally biased?

Give credit where credit is due K Bros - yes - the Lakers got better but the CLIPPERS IMPROVED.

Wish there was a sports writer that is an ACTUAL NON BANDWAGON Clipper fan who is fair.

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