Gary Sacks now Vice President of Basketball Operations

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I'm pretty dissapointed. Why can't sterling just give someone the GM title already? Just him being cheap again?

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I think it's pretty obvious that VDN is the de facto GM now.

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Vice-President of Basketball Operations is what we call the GM. Its the same thing.

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The guy's got 20 years with the firm and the players love him. Makes sense to give him his shot. He and Vinny will succeed or fail as a unit.

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Well, when olshey was with us he was the VP of b ball operations and acting GM. He left us amd became GM at Portland. From what I understand, its not the same thing

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But I'm happy about Sacks, I wanted him to get the promotion for a while now

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who's president of operations if Gm is vice president?

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VP of Basketball Operations is the same as GM, its alot easier to say General Manager or GM than Vice Preseident of Basketball Operations. Anyway Gary Sacks has already proven he can bring in some great talent. I'd rather have Sacks than that Overated Mitch Kupchak.

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Is basketball the only sport where VPoBO and GM are the same? Because I'm pretty sure that in other sports, GM and VPo(inser sport)O are two different positions.

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Okay, they're not the same. RC Buford is the GM of the Spurs and Danny Ferry was hired in 2010 as the VP of basketball operations. So they are two different jobs. You can either be both or have one of the two. But one thing's for sure, they are two different roles.

As of now, it's either Sacks as the VPoBO/GM or VDN as the head coach/GM. I'm hoping it's the former, because the latter never works (Dunleavy, hello?)

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Neil Olshey was the VP of BBall Operations and he was in the running for GM of the Year, so basically they are the same exact thing with different names.

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They are not the same. Olshey happened to have BOTH jobs. See my post above.

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He was our VP of b ball operations, AND our acting GM. They're not the same thing. I think its cheaper for sterling to make him VP of operations and making him acting GM rather than giving him the official GM title. That's what I'm pissed about

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Title is only title. He is effectively GM as Olshey was last year. Anyone know if he signed a contract and for how many years?

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clipperstown wrote:
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Neil Olshey was the VP of BBall Operations and he was in the running for GM of the Year, so basically they are the same exact thing with different names.

He was our VP of b ball operations, AND our acting GM. They're not the same thing. I think its cheaper for sterling to make him VP of operations and making him acting GM rather than giving him the official GM title. That's what I'm pissed about

Exactly. That is why I'm still not sold on DTS "changing" as an owner. Until he gets his **** together and starts acting like an owner committed to long-term success, he will always be a cheapass to me.

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That's why Olshey left in the 1st place cause he couldn't get any money! I feel for Sacks!

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Olshey had the same title: VP of Basketball Operations. And the award is Executive of the Year, not GM of the year. Larry Bird won it and he wasn't even GM.

In the end it doesn't really matter what you call it, but Sacks is essentially taking over Olshey's job.

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Either way he is dealing with trades and signings, and im sure he will be promted next year to GM.

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Agreed. GM is the generic term. Pat Riley is President of the Heat but acts as as the GM. Larry Bird had the same title in Indiana. The Spurs use the same title as us when it comes to the title of GM...'Vice President of Basketball Operations'.

It's all the same.

Anyway, I'm very happy about Sacks getting the promotion. I was saying this weeks after the child actor left us.

This is also another sign DTS is listening to his players and staff. One inch closer to signing CP3. wink

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I think you do have a point. But not all teams have a GM. I think a GM is used when you bring in another person to share the job. VP of Operations is more prestigious than a GM, that is for sure.

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This was so obvious for months it's not really news. I still think it's a cop out but whatever...

I want to know who else they have hired from the outside. If Olshey moved up after Baylor left and now Sacks has moved up, who have they hired to replace these guys? Is it just a bunch of empty offices over there now or are there new guys brought into the FO to do the lower level jobs these guys were doing?

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I usually agree with you but this time I disagree. If it is a cop out, the Lakers are doing the same thing, as well as a lot of teams.

Mitch is acting VP and GM for the Lakers...Just like Sacks is for the Clippers.

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I hope this means next year we can bump VDN to GM and keep Sacks as VP.Then we can get a good coach and still keep the 3 headed monster together.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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This was so obvious for months it's not really news. I still think it's a cop out but whatever...

I want to know who else they have hired from the outside. If Olshey moved up after Baylor left and now Sacks has moved up, who have they hired to replace these guys? Is it just a bunch of empty offices over there now or are there new guys brought into the FO to do the lower level jobs these guys were doing?

I usually agree with you but this time I disagree. If it is a cop out, the Lakers are doing the same thing, as well as a lot of teams.

Mitch is acting VP and GM for the Lakers...Just like Sacks is for the Clippers.

I agree. If the current make up of the FO is getting the job done -- and I include VDN in that -- I don't see a need to bring someone else in. People are so enamored with big names, but can anyone honestly say this offseason would have gone much better if we had some better known GM in charge? Personally, I highly doubt it.

I know there's some people on this board who think we should have acuired Howard, signed Blake and CP to extensions and filled out the rest of the roster with all all-stars or close to it, but I'm more of a realist.

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Olshey held two titles. Sacks does not. This could mean the Clippers can still hire someone else to be the GM.

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That's the problem, he isn't giving him a GM title so he wouldn't have to lock up sacks long term

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clipper*joe wrote:
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VP of Basketball Operations is the same as GM, its alot easier to say General Manager or GM than Vice Preseident of Basketball Operations. Anyway Gary Sacks has already proven he can bring in some great talent. I'd rather have Sacks than that Overated Mitch Kupchak.

Agreed. GM is the generic term. Pat Riley is President of the Heat but acts as as the GM. Larry Bird had the same title in Indiana. The Spurs use the same title as us when it comes to the title of GM...'Vice President of Basketball Operations'.

It's all the same.

Anyway, I'm very happy about Sacks getting the promotion. I was saying this weeks after the child actor left us.

This is also another sign DTS is listening to his players and staff. One inch closer to signing CP3. wink

I'd say there is a difference, cause its 2 different jobs/titles. That's why I was kinda pisse, cause I wanted sacks to become the GM. Maybe DTS is getting ready to hire a GM? I hope so, but its very unlikely.

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Maybe VInny will be GM and we hire a better coach!

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Since we're talking about operations and all of that, I would like to say a few things:

  1. Why does everyone think we have no 2nd round picks till 2018? We only owe them unless they aren't 31-55!

  2. Does anyone know if we have any 1st rounders coming, and if so when?

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clipper*joe wrote:
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This was so obvious for months it's not really news. I still think it's a cop out but whatever...

I want to know who else they have hired from the outside. If Olshey moved up after Baylor left and now Sacks has moved up, who have they hired to replace these guys? Is it just a bunch of empty offices over there now or are there new guys brought into the FO to do the lower level jobs these guys were doing?

I usually agree with you but this time I disagree. If it is a cop out, the Lakers are doing the same thing, as well as a lot of teams.

Mitch is acting VP and GM for the Lakers...Just like Sacks is for the Clippers.

I hear you for me it's whatever, but the offseason went well so I shouldn't complain.

It's just that we did the same promotion 2 years ago and we don't hear about who else is being hired. Olshey and Sacks have been with the team for many years and both have now been promoted to the GM position. But who is doing their old jobs now? Hopefully Roeser has hired some staff in the past months but I haven't seen any anouncements about this. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just haven't seen any press about new members of our FO and I'd like to know that there are other legit basketball execs being brought in to support the GM.

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VP of basketball operation is a title created in the 80's. it basically means GM. The 2 titles are the same. Wink

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just P gives you more money?

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ClipperSteve just posted a commentary about exactly what I'm talking about. I won't link it but you guys know where to go.

If they've hired staff then they should announce it, if for no other reason than the national press assumes they won't. I for one would like to know that Sacks and Roeser are not the ONLY people in the FO today.

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I usually like Steve's blogs but I have to disagree with him. He's coming from the same ol' clippers pov. He talks about the history of other GM's as if this were the same situation. It isn't. You never heard a player, much less the caliber of player like Griffin stand up for a FO guy to get promoted. We just came off the second round of the playoffs and now we see the FO spend and get quality players. After 2006, we didn't do much, this time we did.

So while I like Steve, Sacks deserves the job based on what he helped create...Before he even had the position. Olshey got the job by default. Baylor probably cause the name. This is the first GM who EARNED the job before he had it.

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Remember the pic we got of the clipper staff on draft day, that looks like more than roeser and sacks and vinny!

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if he had any input on lamar odom, crawford, hill, and turiaf good days are ahead

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All I can say is,,who didn't see this one coming beside 99% of the posters here

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Good 'Ol G-Sacks!?

...yeah i have no idea

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The thing I like about Sacks that I didn't hear much about from the other Dude in portland is the focus of the organization and the team. Sacks continuously spoke of the team and how everyone worked together to build the roster. No single person was responsible. When the other guy referenced the team in interviews after his hire in portland, he talked about how he didn't have this or that in Clipperland but has it all in portland. I think Sacks has the right mindset for the job and will "put the work in" as he said in the interview. He came up through the ranks and did some crap jobs i'm sure, like "driving players to the airport."

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Gary is respected throughout the league and has been with our team for almost 20 years, well deserved! Gary, Vinny, and Roeser aka The 3 headed Monster will continue to upgrade our team, I have faith in those guys.

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I don't think it's such a bad thing to drive players to the airport!

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Good moves. I'd still like them to replace Jasen Powell though

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Sacks wasn't promoted. He was demoted to assistant GM.

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Seems like Gary Sacks got screwed in this re-org. Plus, is he still on a year to year contract that Sterling had him on?

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