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We have a ton of wing players but only two PGs. If CP3 gets hurt or even Bledsoe, we don't have another PG like we had last year with Mo.

I know Billups can play PG on the offensive side but defensively, no way he can keep up.

We have 3 point guards, Billups is a point guard, and crawford is a combo guard who can play 1 and the 2 spot, dont worry we are covered.

Billups is coming off a major injury and cannot run around after quick PGs. Crawford is not a combo guard. He can't and won't pass the rock and set teammates up. He's an iso player and I don't think I've ever seen him run a pick and roll.

We need a serviceable 3rd PG in case we have an injury or even foul trouble.

Crawford is a pretty good pick and roll player he has elite handles and often uses it to create space for himself to get off a shot. Willie Green is a combo guard though not a known as great passer but can shoot lights out and his a pesky defender. Pretty sure with his size he can defend the quick PG's.

Also can't forget we have Odom and Hill off the bench both of these players are known playmakers something we did not have at all last season until Bledsoe started to get his legs back late in the season. I suspect the ball to be in Odom's or Hills hand most of the time anyway with Bledsoe looking to push the tempo and seeing if any early holes are open.

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crawford is a combo guard he played point at times with the hawks in his SMOY season. Dont by into what everyone says about a player. Remember when everyone said nick young was a selfish player. But when he got he he played his role, he wasnt selfish, and at times he even ran pick and roll with griffin.

side note: dont be so negative assuming every person on our team will get hurt, we built depth and signed versatile players for a reason

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Looks like it's official...

Matt Barnes has agreed upon a deal with the Los Angeles Clippers.

Barnes spent the past two seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Barnes had been recruited to the Clippers by Chauncey Billups, Blake Griffin and Chris Paul.

Barnes also received interest from the Miami Heat.

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Welcome Matt Barnes, please don't f*** up this team.

CP3Best
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Welcome my man, I want you to block Bryant, and do what you do cause you do it well!

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Blake helped recruit Barnes?Blake is really impressing me more and more.I like how he doesn't take things personal and doesn't have an ego.He had altercations with both Odom and Barnes in the past and could have said he doesn't want them on the team but instead helped recruit them because he knows they can help him win a championship.

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Rename this team the '+30 Lakers', we could keep our colors , but gray would fit better.

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All kidding aside, I like both Odom and Barnes and won't say another word until we hire Kobe and World Without Peace next year.

CP3Best
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You guys do know that the CLIPPERS drafted Barnes and Odom, was about to say Barnes and Nobles

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Team has a ton of looks wonder what the future holds for Thompkins and Leslie I hope they are not cut wouldn't mind them spending the year in the d league or maybe going overseas together to work on their game. It would take three injuries for either to see any hope of playing time with the depth we have right now.

Andrew818
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Clippers didn't draft Barnes,Memphis did.They traded him to Cleveland but he was cut after training camp I think and then the Clippers picked him up.

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Might be a good lead to follow by some of the fans taking things too personal with this trash talking stuff.

Basing the worthiness of a player on trash talk is silly. Trash talking is a everyday occurrence in the NBA with some of the greatest players being the best at it...Bird, Magic, Jordan etc.

For most guys it's just part of the dance, lol....in one ear, out the other. No harm no foul. Most players know the difference between competitive trash talking and real disrespect.

They also know who can help them and the team achieve their goals.

Welcome aboard Matt.

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Thank you for your maturity tense2, Hope this guy starts beating up Kobe!

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I'm not being negative. Do you really want Jamal Crawford playing point for us? Also, I'm not assuming injury. I don't hope or wish for injury but we have to be prepared. CP is injured right now so who knows if he'll be ready for the season. Last year, no one knew Bledsoe was hurt until the season started and he was out for a good amount of time and didn't regain his old game back until near the end of the season. Granted, last year's lockout didn't help and the crazy schedule.

But my point ties directly to your depth and versatility comment. We need to have backups for our backups that can play. Will Barnes have the opportunity to contribute when he's 3-4 players behind the depth chart?

I've like Barnes since his Bruin days. He's a tough player that will scrap. Signing him for the vet minimum is a plus. So I hope I'm wrong about needing a legit pass first/run the offense 3rd PG.

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one word IMHO,,,,,,,,mistake

CP3Best
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Who would you have signed, Ammo? That guy is sporadic and pretty slow!

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I think its a good signing because we need the depth. Last season we had many injuries and also had many of our core players log in heavy minutes. There was also a big drop off in production, when our starters came out. We also have to remember that some of our key players are over the age of 30 and may need some days off to make sure they are healthy and well rested come playoff time, (Billups, Butler, Hill, LO, CP3, maybe even Blake w/ his knees). Now we have that luxary that if Butler needs a day rest, we can start Hill and have Barnes back him up. If Chauncy needs a day rest we can start Crawford and have Green back him up or any combination of players. Not playing our key players 37+ minutes every night is going to help. PLUS we are back to a 82 season which means more rest days in between but still a longer season.

The key idea behind all this is to keep our players fresh and ready for the postseason, and to not have a big drop off in production once our starters come out.

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good point. holefully, vinny del negro gives our guus lots of rest. we need to take a look at how san antonio rotates their players and keeps their core players rested and healthy for the playoffs

CP3Best
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Vinny better not make those stupid late game plays where we can't inbound it they steal it make the 3 and win the damn game!

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In a couple of posts I mentioned coaching and 1989 brought up an interesting point. We really don't have scrubs. We can rest our players and even if there is a mild injury to prevent worse ones. We can also give opponents multiple looks. I can see us using up to 12 men. During the PO's maybe we can keep a 10 man rotation instead of 8. We have three very good and very different PG's. We can run three guard sets. CP, EB, JC, BG, LO, a fast game. We can play half court Billups/Hill or Butler. CP, WG, JC, CB (Ammo) good three point shooters. Again Trey may have a place. He showed flashes. but I'm not sure about Hollins. Ammo?? The next Novak? EB can get to the rack at will.

Playmakers, CP, EB, CB, LO

How many styles of play do we have? Want good chemistry? Everybody plays.

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We have 15 guys, no more allowed! And I mentioned this before but, is it just me or does it look like we're putting pieces together for a trade!

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thats true i was thinking about the same thing. i feel like a big or i guess decent deal will be establish but i wonder who can we get ???

CP3Best
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Either Jordan or Butler or Bledsoe will be part of any trade!

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Yea, I think the Clips are just building for depth.

If they were thinking about a deal some time down the line for this year, it would have to be for an upgrade at C. DeAndre with his lack of offense and bad free throw shooting was hardly used by the coaching staff during playoff fourth quarters last year. That cant happen this time around. I just dont know what other big man theyd be thinking about, if they were, that is.

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Barnes won't be getting much burn, he's just a backup in case Hill gets hurt.

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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score- im starting to dislike this current roster...a lot.

I miss the 05-06 squad. Blue collar/no frills squad. Im actually more a fan of the bucks roster than our own.

go clips

CP3Best
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Go back to the hole you came from, this squad is more than 2 times better than last year's, and both DJ and BG will show improvement in ft shooting!

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Eric Pincus: "The Clippers have officially signed Matt Barnes which gives them a total of 15 players. If one was to go it'd be Travis Leslie, who came into the summer with a partially guaranteed contract. I haven't gotten word yet if his deal is officially locked in the rest of the year or still a major chunk unguaranteed. Teams and players often renegotiate guarantee dates. It's somewhat one-sided - the team can say we'll cut you now or would you agree to give us a few months to try and work it out?"

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First thing I thought of as well when I heard the Barnes news. What's up with the FO signing former Lakers who've actually had beef with the Clippers!?!

Next thing you know we'll waive Leslie and sign Fisher.

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What exactly do some of you really want from our FO?? When they don't make moves, you criticize them and when they do it's the same tune you guys are singing. Man... sometimes I feel like the bandwagon Clipper fans are more appreciative of the moves and strides we're making.

Can someone on here really admit that they became a Clipper fan because they're losers and expect to be losers for the rest of their existence??

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Oy vey, pining for the good old days huh?....go root for the Bucks then. roll

Potentially our best team ever and you make trash talking an issue....trash talking=The NBA. Stop being so dramatic, lol.

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Trash talking @ it's best with Sam "Big Balls" Cassell

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I have to admit that I now have more understanding of the way some Clippers fans are. At least Laker fans just have high expectations every year and that's just the way they are. Some Clipper fans just can't be satisfied and be prideful of their squad. Bottom line, Clippers to me have the deepest and arguably the best roster we've ever had from top to bottom. Clipper Nation!

By the way... Let's go Angels!! Let's make a push for the playoffs.

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Shocked The Bucks roster got worse if anything, they lost Delfino. Also, the Jennings and Ellis combo is just as bad as when Steve Francis played with Marbury. Good luck to your Bucks

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Milwaukee's good for one thing, and that's brewing beer. Other than that, the bucks can go to hell. This is Clipper Nation!!!

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LotsoHope wrote:
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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score

First thing I thought of as well when I heard the Barnes news. What's up with the FO signing former Lakers who've actually had beef with the Clippers!?!

Next thing you know we'll waive Leslie and sign Fisher.

wouldn't mind getting fisher, heck if getting all these players result in a championship and keeping cp3 im all for it

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just because they're making moves doesnt mean we should be satisfied. we need frontcourt help BADLY. darko would've been nice.

btw, i fall under the category of your last statement. i didnt become a clipper fan because they were world beaters. (and while id LOVE to win a ring with a bunch of blue-collar riff-raff, i know that's not possible. adding CP was a step in the right direction, but its this barnes,kardashian movement that's causing me to throw up in my mouth)

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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score- im starting to dislike this current roster...a lot.

I miss the 05-06 squad. Blue collar/no frills squad. Im actually more a fan of the bucks roster than our own.

go clips

Oy vey, pining for the good old days huh?....go root for the Bucks then. roll

Potentially our best team ever and you make trash talking an issue....trash talking=The NBA. Stop being so dramatic, lol.

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Trash talking @ it's best with Sam "Big Balls" Cassell

our 05-06 squad would dominate in the paint. by far and away a more well-rounded squad than our current one.

ekker3
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we need a big like zeljko rebraca - eat up space w/o getting in the way, make you feel confident that he'll get his boards and block some shots, great on rotations (*cough* darko *cough).

hollins and turiaf were just quick half-ass attempts to fill our front court void.

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I agree.I think if Clippers had a chance at signing Darko before we signed Turiaf or Hollins that it would have happened.He was talking to a couple of other teams so I think Clippers just decided to move on as did most of the other teams and now that Darko is ready to sign,there is not a lot of teams out there with spots open.I would have liked to get Darko over Hollins,but still get Turiaf.I just like the energy he brings with him and think he can be similar to what Reggie brought last season.

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^^^^My guess is Darko thought he could get real money from somebody and didn't want to entertain our minimum offer two months ago. I do think we jumped the gun with Hollins. Always loved Turiaf and he will be a similar fan favorite like Reg, he was a good pickup IMO. But Hollins, we could do without. Switch him out for Darko and keep everything else the same and we'd be a lot better off depth-wise.

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Way to see the big picture there. That's three guys out of 15 you're complaining about. Paul, Butler, Grant Hill, Griffin, Turiaf, Billups, etc. are all pretty grounded, hard working guys. Even Crawford is regarded as a solid locker room and community guy. In fact, most comentators think we've put together one of the best locker rooms in the league. You're going to disregard all that just because you don't like Barnes and Odom happens to be married to a Kardashian? A little short sighted if you ask me.

And personally, I think the current team we have would easily handle the 05-06 team, at least on paper. This team has a better starting 5 overall and way better depth.

Paul >> Cassell

Billups/Crawford = Mobley

Bulter > Maggette

Griffin > Brand

DJ < Kaman

12-13 bench >>>>>> 05-06 bench.

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ekker3 wrote:
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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score- im starting to dislike this current roster...a lot.

I miss the 05-06 squad. Blue collar/no frills squad. Im actually more a fan of the bucks roster than our own.

go clips

Oy vey, pining for the good old days huh?....go root for the Bucks then. roll

Potentially our best team ever and you make trash talking an issue....trash talking=The NBA. Stop being so dramatic, lol.

P.S.

Trash talking @ it's best with Sam "Big Balls" Cassell

our 05-06 squad would dominate in the paint. by far and away a more well-rounded squad than our current one.

Is that why Boris Diaw and Amare was able to control the paint on our big men in 05 and 06?? I would put my money on Blake, DJ, LO, Turiaf & Hollins over Brand, Kaman & Wilcox. If you're telling that those 3 dudes are better than what we have now then I'd have to say that you are just trying to complain about some thing.

The blue collar thing is cool and all, but apparently it's very rare that that would win you championships. You can go with that blue collar thing all you want, but I kinda wanna see the Clips when June comes around.

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score- im starting to dislike this current roster...a lot.

I miss the 05-06 squad. Blue collar/no frills squad. Im actually more a fan of the bucks roster than our own.

go clips

Way to see the big picture there. That's three guys out of 15 you're complaining about. Paul, Butler, Grant Hill, Griffin, Turiaf, Billups, etc. are all pretty grounded, hard working guys. Even Crawford is regarded as a solid locker room and community guy. In fact, most comentators think we've put together one of the best locker rooms in the league. You're going to disregard all that just because you don't like Barnes and Odom happens to be married to a Kardashian? A little short sighted if you ask me.

And personally, I think the current team we have would easily handle the 05-06 team, at least on paper. This team has a better starting 5 overall and way better depth.

Paul >> Cassell

Billups/Crawford = Mobley

Bulter > Maggette

Griffin > Brand

DJ < Kaman

12-13 bench >>>>>> 05-06 bench.

Now that you put it side by side like that, I can comfortably say that the current team would rock that 05-06 team. And that's not including our second unit. People will come around... Some people are just afraid of success. Personally I can't get use to losing, but some people apparently got comfortable in that losing zone hahaha!!

I don't work hard everyday to just rent for the rest of my life... I will soon own my own property. Trust me man, I've been blue collar all my life and it's time I step my game up and I feel the same way about the Clippers. It's either you're on board or you're gonna get left behind. Cause a $95 mil deal doesn't tell me that they're not committed to a new culture... A winning culture!

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C'mon Ekker, you always resort to comments like that. I'm pretty sure the Bucks have room for one more fan.

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Barnes actually said we had a good team last season. His beef was with Griffin. Same with Odom. In fact, a lot of Lakers said we had built a good last year. The one who took a jab at the Clippers was Kobe. He said we had a good team but the Lakers were about rings.

I don't care too much for Barnes but if our players recruited him then question BG, CP3, and any other player who helped get him...Don't take it our on the team.

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We also had little money to get some of the good players that would fit into the void you're talking about. Odom was a trade, and Crawford's money wasn't going to get us that player you're talking about. I do agree that Darko should have been the guy we should have went after. But Turiaf is not bad. Hollins wasn't a good acquisition, IMO.

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I wish kenyon martin mentality was better, he would be our last needed piece, it was dissapointing how he refused to go in the game. In regards to darko im not really that big on him, yes hes better than hollins, but hes not that great, seemed like he only came to play when he was playing against the clips.

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Only in your mind.

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tense2 wrote:
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our 05-06 squad would dominate in the paint. by far and away a more well-rounded squad than our current one.

Only in your mind.

The paint? we'll see when we play Dallas Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_04

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Yup they've got that Kaman-Brand copmbo we had, and BG EATS Kaman for breakfast in the paint, Kaman just goes for the ft jumper, Brand is good!

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