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tense2
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What team signed the great missing piece (*cough*-cough*) Darko?

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Darko is no missing piece, he's sporadic, and has a bad attitude, we don't need any more of those!

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It was a joke son...I say a joke son.

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I'm going out see you all at this time tomorrow good bye!

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^We'll all be waiting with bated breath. Smile

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tense2 wrote:
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Darko is no missing piece, he's sporadic, and has a bad attitude, we don't need any more of those!

It was a joke son...I say a joke son.

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^ lol

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In a way, this is a great pick up by the Clippers. I love this guy hustle, slashing, rebound, and pure energy guy just like Reggie but more offense. I hate him as a Lakers and always thought he was a jerk, but I think I'll grown to love him eventually. Beside I was worried about 3 position with only Grant Hill and Caron Butler. I can't see them being healthy all 82 games. Plus it even give us more front court depth by pushing Lamar Odom to the 4 as a back up. Great move and let see how it will translated on the court.

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Matt barnes talks trash and then wants to play for our sorry ass team? Aw hell no.

W/ LO, the kardashians, our overpaid prima donna center who cant rebound/score- im starting to dislike this current roster...a lot.

I miss the 05-06 squad. Blue collar/no frills squad. Im actually more a fan of the bucks roster than our own.

go clips

Way to see the big picture there. That's three guys out of 15 you're complaining about. Paul, Butler, Grant Hill, Griffin, Turiaf, Billups, etc. are all pretty grounded, hard working guys. Even Crawford is regarded as a solid locker room and community guy. In fact, most comentators think we've put together one of the best locker rooms in the league. You're going to disregard all that just because you don't like Barnes and Odom happens to be married to a Kardashian? A little short sighted if you ask me.

And personally, I think the current team we have would easily handle the 05-06 team, at least on paper. This team has a better starting 5 overall and way better depth.

Paul >> Cassell

Billups/Crawford = Mobley

Bulter > Maggette

Griffin > Brand

DJ < Kaman

12-13 bench >>>>>> 05-06 bench.

  1. yes im gonna judge the team based on the kardashian/barnes factor.

  2. i never understood comparing teams based on individual matchups at each starting spot. from my vantage point, 05-06 was a team filled with players that knew their roles AND fulfilled their individual assignments well. also, waaaaay too many streaky players on this current roster.

oh and competent big men with the ability to post up and dominate down low wins in the playoffs. we're at a major disadvantage there - and plenty of people are banking that lamar odom's gonna fill absolutely every need for us in that area - a guy that fell off the face of the earth. because if he doesnt, its all on blake - who's decent down there but he cant do it alone.

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Looking at your avatar.....I miss Mo Williams cry

Regarding Matt Barnes. He was probably my least favorite player in the nba up until the clippers signed him. I guess now I have to root for him. But we did need a 3rd small forward IMO. Just in case Butler or Hill were to get injured. Barnes could also be used a little more when we play teams like the lakers or nets (teams with big SGs).

If it were up to me, I would have signed Al Thornton because he's my favorite clipper of all time but getting Barnes (who averaged 7.8/5.5/2 last year) at the vet minimum is a bargain. Plus it seems like the guys on the team wanted him here.

We could almost run 3 teams:

Team A: Paul/Green/Butler/Griffin/Jordan

Team B: Bledsoe/Crawford/Hill/Odom/Turiaf

Team C: Billups/Leslie/Barnes/Thompkins/Hollins

Obviously Team C is a bit of a stretch but who knows, Leslie and Thompkins may turn out to be solid players one day.

Im excited as hell for this season. Last season we had a lot of young guys who didn't always know how to handle pressure. But I feel like this year we have a great mix of veterans and youngsters to go deep into the playoffs.

One more thing. It's annoying the **** outta me how people keep saying the clippers are picking up "laker castaways". Uhhhhh......Hello Barnes and Odom played for the clippers long before they were lakers. And Butler/Turiaf were only there for a short time.

tense2
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Oh well, hope YOUR Bucks to good this season. roll

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tense2 wrote:
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  1. yes im gonna judge the team based on the kardashian/barnes factor.

  2. i never understood comparing teams based on individual matchups at each starting spot. from my vantage point, 05-06 was a team filled with players that knew their roles AND fulfilled their individual assignments well. also, waaaaay too many streaky players on this current roster.

oh and competent big men with the ability to post up and dominate down low wins in the playoffs. we're at a major disadvantage there - and plenty of people are banking that lamar odom's gonna fill absolutely every need for us in that area - a guy that fell off the face of the earth. because if he doesnt, its all on blake - who's decent down there but he cant do it alone.

Oh well, hope YOUR Bucks to good this season. roll

Seriously, man. Ekker - you do know what teams went to the finals last year, right? The Heat and the Thunder. Two teams with nobody who posts up and dominates down low. So, I'm not so sure that's a key to winning in the playoffs anymore. Heck, San Antonio beat us with ball movement and outside shooting, not inside scoring.

And you're alway way overrating that 2005-2006 team. You want to tell me that Mobely, Maggette, Vlad Rad and even Cassell weren't streaky? And Kaman was still Kaman - he just didn't touch the ball enough so it was harder to notice. The people who got the most time off the bench were a very young, very skinny Shaun Livingston and Daniel Ewing. Yes, Daniel Ewing. That team was solid and made a nice run, but come on. Lets not make them out to be something the weren't.

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For those that dislike Barnes for dissing Blake and our team, check out this recent LA Times article

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... vrit=53285

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For those that dislike Barnes for dissing Blake and our team, check out this recent LA Times article So before agreeing to acquire the nine-year veteran, Barnes said, the Clippers checked with Griffin to receive his blessing. Barnes said he also spoke with Griffin on Thursday. "I just kind of explained to him that it was no disrespect to him or his game," Barnes said. "I think he's one of the best players in the league and arguably the most athletic player. I play basketball hard-nosed and if you're not on my team, during that 48 minutes we're enemies. He appreciated it....

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lol

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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:

  1. yes im gonna judge the team based on the kardashian/barnes factor.

  2. i never understood comparing teams based on individual matchups at each starting spot. from my vantage point, 05-06 was a team filled with players that knew their roles AND fulfilled their individual assignments well. also, waaaaay too many streaky players on this current roster.

oh and competent big men with the ability to post up and dominate down low wins in the playoffs. we're at a major disadvantage there - and plenty of people are banking that lamar odom's gonna fill absolutely every need for us in that area - a guy that fell off the face of the earth. because if he doesnt, its all on blake - who's decent down there but he cant do it alone.

Oh well, hope YOUR Bucks to good this season. roll

Seriously, man. Ekker - you do know what teams went to the finals last year, right? The Heat and the Thunder. Two teams with nobody who posts up and dominates down low. So, I'm not so sure that's a key to winning in the playoffs anymore. Heck, San Antonio beat us with ball movement and outside shooting, not inside scoring.

And you're alway way overrating that 2005-2006 team. You want to tell me that Mobely, Maggette, Vlad Rad and even Cassell weren't streaky? And Kaman was still Kaman - he just didn't touch the ball enough so it was harder to notice. The people who got the most time off the bench were a very young, very skinny Shaun Livingston and Daniel Ewing. Yes, Daniel Ewing. That team was solid and made a nice run, but come on. Lets not make them out to be something the weren't.

like any old team, 05-06 had some shooters that could be considered streaky, but this current squad has record setters-

chauncey? caron? crawford? odom? willie green?!

good thing we let swaggy p go, cause that would've been too much. sreaky shooters lead to lots of missed shots - and while blake can rebound like a madman, we've lost our rebounding strength this offseason. get ready for lots of transition ball. im uneasy about it, but hopefully LO can help somewhat (because im pretty sure DJ's not gonna improve there).

also keep in mind that that team had what last years squad didnt have - direction and purpose. sure, the freedom vinny provides CP is nice, but it also leads to the most predictable offense in the league. ask san antonio. dunleavy kept defenses guessing and spread the floor with an efficient inside outside game.

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He's here and there's nothing we can do about it. To me, it's like he's allowed in the house, but he ain't family.

He's got some sh!t to atone for before I embrace him...

P.S. LMBO @ the Foghorn Leghorn stuff!

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P.S. LMBO @ the Foghorn Leghorn stuff!

that was a flop:|

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CRY ME A RIVER. I swear some dudes are soap opera type cats. CLIPPER NATION or die mofos!!!

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Since Matt and Blake have spoken and Blake is okay with him I welcome him back to Clipper Nation. We know that if anyone gets in the face of someone he will be there to back them up. I couldn't be happier with this new group of players and can't wait for the upcoming season. When does training camp start by the way?

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For as much as i cant stand the guy, matt barnes gives us more swagger. And im not talking nick young goofy swagger, but "get in your face and annoy you" swagger". I guess that counts for something.

Still, not a fan, just looking for positives.

Doug christie 2.0

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Different perspectives I guess. I didn't think that Dunleavy's offense was much less predictable than what we have going now. It was either Brand down low or a pick-and-roll with Cassel. Sometimes either of those two things could result in a kick out and a long shot by Mobley, etc. We weren't exactly the Spurs on offense back then.

I think we'll see more offensive variety this next season because we have more capable offensive weapons.

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Besides "swagger", his numbers are good.

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Keep in mind even though as you say we didn't have any suppose direction, we finished with the best winning % in Clipper history.....even with a historical condensed season. We were also 4th in the league in offense efficiency last season.

We were a better team than the 05-06 team last year and we'll be a better team this season than last years.

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For those that dislike Barnes for dissing Blake and our team, check out this recent LA Times article So before agreeing to acquire the nine-year veteran, Barnes said, the Clippers checked with Griffin to receive his blessing. Barnes said he also spoke with Griffin on Thursday. "I just kind of explained to him that it was no disrespect to him or his game," Barnes said. "I think he's one of the best players in the league and arguably the most athletic player. I play basketball hard-nosed and if you're not on my team, during that 48 minutes we're enemies. He appreciated it....

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tense2
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Personally, I'd rate Barnes higher than that, but that just me. Comparing our SF:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y3=2012

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Heck than we should just make Barnes our starting sf, too bad that there are players that just shouldn't be starters = Barnes, odom

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Barnes is our third string small forward but he will get some big minutes some games. The coach will give butler and hill nights off to keep them fresh and healthy the whole year. Our team is extremely deep for once.

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I'm excited to see all these players: poetry in motion, Does anyone think we'll win the preseason game against Denver, it's on my birthday and CP3 just HAD to be injured, damn!

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I think everyone knows he's not a starter in this league. You dont get Mat Barnes thinking he will giv4e you 20 pooints in a game. His playoff averages are PPG: 3.5, RPG: 3.30, and APG:1.5. While these numbers arent great keep in mind that they are from limited minutes, and you can tell he contributes on all sides: he passes, and rebounds too, so we have a great contributor that isnt even our second string guy, what bench:)

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pageC4 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
For as much as i cant stand the guy, matt barnes gives us more swagger. And im not talking nick young goofy swagger, but "get in your face and annoy you" swagger". I guess that counts for something.

Still, not a fan, just looking for positives.

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I think everyone knows he's not a starter in this league. You dont get Mat Barnes thinking he will giv4e you 20 pooints in a game. His playoff averages are PPG: 3.5, RPG: 3.30, and APG:1.5. While these numbers arent great keep in mind that they are from limited minutes, and you can tell he contributes on all sides: he passes, and rebounds too, so we have a great contributor that isnt even our second string guy, what bench:)

He's better than you think....look at my post above comparing our 3 SF.

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He should get more minutes, and should see if he can still put up the expected numbers per 36 min!

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tense2 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:

also keep in mind that that team had what last years squad didnt have - direction and purpose. sure, the freedom vinny provides CP is nice, but it also leads to the most predictable offense in the league. ask san antonio. dunleavy kept defenses guessing and spread the floor with an efficient inside outside game.

Keep in mind even though as you say we didn't have any suppose direction, we finished with the best winning % in Clipper history.....even with a historical condensed season. We were also 4th in the league in offense efficiency last season.

We were a better team than the 05-06 team last year and we'll be a better team this season than last years.

I would also argued that we achieved that franchise best winning % in a year that the Western conference was overall deeper and more talented than it was in 2005-2006. So there's that too.

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This team is better because Cassel was a knucklehead, and CP3 isn't, how could Cassel just backourt violate in such an important time, he cost us the damn series, he did contribute a lot, but CP3 is wayyyyyyyyyyy better, and that's why we're better now than then!

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tense2 wrote:
pageC4 wrote:
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For as much as i cant stand the guy, matt barnes gives us more swagger. And im not talking nick young goofy swagger, but "get in your face and annoy you" swagger". I guess that counts for something.

Still, not a fan, just looking for positives.

Doug christie 2.0

I think everyone knows he's not a starter in this league. You dont get Mat Barnes thinking he will giv4e you 20 pooints in a game. His playoff averages are PPG: 3.5, RPG: 3.30, and APG:1.5. While these numbers arent great keep in mind that they are from limited minutes, and you can tell he contributes on all sides: he passes, and rebounds too, so we have a great contributor that isnt even our second string guy, what bench:)

He's better than you think....look at my post above comparing our 3 SF.

great post tense. hopefully he will try and play his heart out for a starting spot...great numbers

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tense2 wrote:
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For as much as i cant stand the guy, matt barnes gives us more swagger. And im not talking nick young goofy swagger, but "get in your face and annoy you" swagger". I guess that counts for something.

Still, not a fan, just looking for positives.

Doug christie 2.0

I think everyone knows he's not a starter in this league. You dont get Mat Barnes thinking he will giv4e you 20 pooints in a game. His playoff averages are PPG: 3.5, RPG: 3.30, and APG:1.5. While these numbers arent great keep in mind that they are from limited minutes, and you can tell he contributes on all sides: he passes, and rebounds too, so we have a great contributor that isnt even our second string guy, what bench:)

He's better than you think....look at my post above comparing our 3 SF.

great post tense. hopefully he will try and play his heart out for a starting spot...great numbers

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Not sure about that one.... I dont see Barnes in a starting position with the clippers unless there's an injury (knock on wood) LO would be a better starter @ SF then barnes but it all depends on the team set-up and the match up.

LO has had problems with some SF and PF where I think barnes will be better at defense but over all I would say LO would take more minutes then Barnes any day of the week.

My question is why would barnes want to play his heart out for a starter position on the clippers?

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xldicelx wrote:
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great post tense. hopefully he will try and play his heart out for a starting spot...great numbers
Not sure about that one.... I dont see Barnes in a starting position with the clippers unless there's an injury (knock on wood) LO would be a better starter @ SF then barnes but it all depends on the team set-up and the match up.

LO has had problems with some SF and PF where I think barnes will be better at defense but over all I would say LO would take more minutes then Barnes any day of the week.

My question is why would barnes want to play his heart out for a starter position on the clippers?

LO's can play SF in short bursts IF necessary, but his best numbers are at PF and C.

My question is why would barnes want to play his heart out for a starter position on the clippers?....Huh??, why not, he's a very competitive player and his numbers make a case as a starter. Either way we are much stronger at a position that we were weak at last year...win-win.

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X2 totally agree with you there. Barnes fills in a gap we had on the bench last season.

still dont think he'll start but im not the coach. and if he does start at any point good for him...

I just ....................

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If he starts what do we do with Butler?

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you can figure that out, lol.

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Who me? Like me personally?

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xldicelx wrote:
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Either way we are much stronger at a position that we were weak at last year...win-win.
X2 totally agree with you there. Barnes fills in a gap we had on the bench last season.

still dont think he'll start but im not the coach. and if he does start at any point good for him...

I just ....................

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Can someone share who the heck the fat guy is?

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GET THAT CORN OUT OF MY FACE!!!

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Jack Black in NACHO LIBRE only the of the greatest comedies!! LMBO

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Those Eagle eggs were a lie Steven! They gave me no powers... No nutrients!!

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