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    Post subject: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 16, 2008 - 04:04 PM PST
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    From the Toronto Sun:

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    Things must change, guard tells Spanish paper


    By FRANK ZICARELLI, TORONTO SUN


    Each time Jose Calderon opens his mouth or uses his personal website as a platform to vent, he inadvertently is fuelling a controversy that is headed for one ugly climax.
    Most NBA observers figured the Raptors' chances of keeping both Calderon and T.J. Ford were minimal at best.
    As the team's off-season continues, the chances grow even slimmer, the possibility of a trade more likely as the chasm between Ford and Calderon widens.
    At this point, all Calderon can do is wait until July 1, when NBA free agency kicks in.
    In his case, Calderon becomes a restricted free agent and the Raptors have steadfastly stated they will match any offer.
    With so few teams having cap space, the most Calderon can expect is a mid-level offer, which is expected to be in the neighbourhood of $5.6 million US, doubling his stipend from last season.
    Sign-and-trade scenarios are possible and teams conceivably can clear space, factors that could lead to a more lucrative offer for Calderon.
    But the fact remains that one of Calderon or Ford must go.
    There is no market for Ford, while teams privately covet Calderon, who would make both a playing and cultural fit in markets such as Miami and Los Angeles.
    Not that the Raptors needed further evidence of the growing divide at the point, but quotes attributed to Calderon highlight a rift with Ford.
    "I would like to start and that's the most important thing,'' Calderon is quoted as saying in yesterday's edition of the Spanish daily sports newspaper El Mundo Deportivo, a sentiment he first shared with visitors to his website.
    But now comes the kicker.
    Continued Calderon in the article: "I've been two years with him but I don't know if I could be another year because things would have to change."
    Barring a complete personality makeover by Ford, which doesn't seem likely, nothing can change in Raptorland.
    That is why a change in scenery for Calderon is best for all parties concerned.
    People have been clamouring for a player such as Corey Maggette of the Los Angeles Clippers, an athletic wing who is capable of averaging 20 a night and attacking the rim.
    The Clippers can use a point guard and Calderon's family probably wouldn't object to southern California's warm climate.

    It's just one of many possibilities to ponder as July 1 approaches and as the Raptors try to solve their mess at the point position.
    Home sweet home
    Heading into Game 6 of the Hornets-Spurs series in San Antonio last night, home teams in the second round of the post-season had gone 19-1. Detroit produced the only road win, in Game 4 of its series against Orlando.
    Theories abound as to why home teams have dominated, but none offers any logical explanation.
    What is known is that no team in NBA history has won a championship without posting a road victory.
    The Celtics might buck that trend.
    Against Atlanta, Boston averaged 102.3 points in its four home wins and only 77.0 points in three away losses to the Hawks.
    The second-round numbers aren't as pronounced as the Celtics prepare to face the Cavs in Cleveland tonight.
    "We're going to get one,'' Celtics coach Doc Rivers said of that elusive road conquest. "I don't know when. It would be great if it's Game 6."
    Dirk throwing dirt
    Dirk Nowitzki didn't mince words on Wednesday when the Mavs formally introduced Rick Carlisle as head coach, replacing Avery Johnson.
    "We just had to get a change here, for both sides," Nowitzki said. "We need somebody now who can get the best out of this team, who finds a way to get the best out of everybody."
    Make no mistake: Star players run the NBA and when a team's star feels alienated by a coach, the outcome is as inevitable as it is unavoidable.
    "I think that's what Avery was missing a little bit, the communication with the players individually," Nowitzki said. "Because it's still a player's league. It's not a league of coaches."
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    This would be ideal for the Clippers and i hope Dunleavy is thinking about this.

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    Post subject: RE: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 16, 2008 - 07:25 PM PST
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    A Calderon for Maggs trade is A-OK in my book!!!
     
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    Post subject: RE: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 17, 2008 - 02:41 AM PST
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    Yeah, this would be a great trade for us. Calderon, as we've all pointed out throughout the season, can play pure PG at a high level and also make necessary shots. He is a star on the rise, and Sterling/Baylor/Dunleavy would be stupid to not at least try and make this kind of a trade work. Then we can feel somewhat accomplished with drafting a guy like Eric Gordon at #6.

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    Post subject: RE: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 17, 2008 - 06:27 AM PST
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    Calderon has said, once he has arrived to Spain, what everybody is thinking: TJ and him can't play in the same team next year...
    If we want to land him we should explain him a winning project. He wants to be in a PO team and we still have to prove it. He wants to be in a place where the things work right. Maybe EB or Dunleavy should give him a call...
     
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    Post subject: Re: RE: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 17, 2008 - 11:55 AM PST
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    Miquel wrote:
    Calderon has said, once he has arrived to Spain, what everybody is thinking: TJ and him can't play in the same team next year...
    If we want to land him we should explain him a winning project. He wants to be in a PO team and we still have to prove it. He wants to be in a place where the things work right. Maybe EB or Dunleavy should give him a call...


    Maybe you can use your Spanish influence and try to find him and let him know we need him badly. I'm sure he will listen to a fellow "paisano". Wink

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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Jose Calderon...anyone?  PostPosted: May 17, 2008 - 02:26 PM PST
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    I think a straight up sign and trade Maggette for Calderon is not equal value for the Clippers. Now if they would include a shooter like Kapono or Parker or their first round pick that would be a different story.
     
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    amen brother. Corey scores more than those guys combined
     
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    toohipcliptoslip wrote:
    amen brother. Corey scores more than those guys combined
    I agree it's not a straight up deal, but I think it's close. It's not all about trading equal PPG. Calderon would provide much more value than his PPG. Corey is with more than his PPG also in that he puts opponents in foul trouble. But Jose's got more intangibles as well.
     
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    I agree with ether on this one. Although if by all means we can get Kapono in the deal too, that's fine by me.

    A buddy of mine was saying on ESPN radio they were talking about if the Bucks would trade for Maggette. But I think it was just ESPN guys talking and not even rumors. But hopefully there is a desire for Maggette by other teams. It just creates more options for the Clippers to improve their team. I like that Dunleavy/Baylor/Sterling set a standard on the possible "trading Maggette" idea from last year. We gotta get players that will for sure help this team and ones that are gonna be around for some years yet. We cant waver and just take what we can get for him. I think his value has increased from last year (but he has probably reached his limit). He's at his peak if you ask me, and anyone who's gonna take him away from us, would I hope understand that he's gonna have probably 3 more productive seasons before he declines in play. Not that he wont be good in the future, but I believe Maggette is at his peak. I'd much rather have Calderon and Thornton who are players on the rise.

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    jlemmen43 wrote:
    I agree with ether on this one. Although if by all means we can get Kapono in the deal too, that's fine by me.

    A buddy of mine was saying on ESPN radio they were talking about if the Bucks would trade for Maggette. But I think it was just ESPN guys talking and not even rumors. But hopefully there is a desire for Maggette by other teams. It just creates more options for the Clippers to improve their team. I like that Dunleavy/Baylor/Sterling set a standard on the possible "trading Maggette" idea from last year. We gotta get players that will for sure help this team and ones that are gonna be around for some years yet. We cant waver and just take what we can get for him. I think his value has increased from last year (but he has probably reached his limit). He's at his peak if you ask me, and anyone who's gonna take him away from us, would I hope understand that he's gonna have probably 3 more productive seasons before he declines in play. Not that he wont be good in the future, but I believe Maggette is at his peak. I'd much rather have Calderon and Thornton who are players on the rise.


    I supose the Bucks with the Simmon's failure won't want to deal with the Clips for a long time Laughing

    I'm with jlem. It's not about ppg. It's about other things: defense, energy, leadership, desire, winning mentality, heart...You only have to ask to the Raps supporters who they prefer among TJ or Jose.

    Of course Gette is a better scorer but Calderon can put on the table other interesting things. What Maggette does (score 20ppg) is not easy but his points could be scored by other players.

    And I really thing that Livi and Jose aren't incompatible. They could play together because they are very different

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    Maybe you can use your Spanish influence and try to find him and let him know we need him badly. I'm sure he will listen to a fellow "paisano".

    Quien sabe, tu influencia puede ayudar?


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    Miquel wrote:
    jlemmen43 wrote:
    I agree with ether on this one. Although if by all means we can get Kapono in the deal too, that's fine by me.

    A buddy of mine was saying on ESPN radio they were talking about if the Bucks would trade for Maggette. But I think it was just ESPN guys talking and not even rumors. But hopefully there is a desire for Maggette by other teams. It just creates more options for the Clippers to improve their team. I like that Dunleavy/Baylor/Sterling set a standard on the possible "trading Maggette" idea from last year. We gotta get players that will for sure help this team and ones that are gonna be around for some years yet. We cant waver and just take what we can get for him. I think his value has increased from last year (but he has probably reached his limit). He's at his peak if you ask me, and anyone who's gonna take him away from us, would I hope understand that he's gonna have probably 3 more productive seasons before he declines in play. Not that he wont be good in the future, but I believe Maggette is at his peak. I'd much rather have Calderon and Thornton who are players on the rise.


    I supose the Bucks with the Simmon's failure won't want to deal with the Clips for a long time Laughing

    I'm with jlem. It's not about ppg. It's about other things: defense, energy, leadership, desire, winning mentality, heart...You only have to ask to the Raps supporters who they prefer among TJ or Jose.

    Of course Gette is a better scorer but Calderon can put on the table other interesting things. What Maggette does (score 20ppg) is not easy but his points could be scored by other players.

    And I really thing that Livi and Jose aren't incompatible. They could play together because they are very different

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    Maybe you can use your Spanish influence and try to find him and let him know we need him badly. I'm sure he will listen to a fellow "paisano".

    Quien sabe, tu influencia puede ayudar?


    Good Spanish bro!!


    ...cause I'm Hispanic. Very Happy

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