When you choose your team, you like them and become a fan. A fan SUPPORTS ONES TEAM. If you fail to support a team then the team wont do as well. Now the Clipps posted a nice run last year, this year not so hot. As fans we need to be there to support our team. Clipper fans, in the staples center, suck. I dont care how much you love your team it doesnt mean much unless you go out and cheer your ass off. YOU BOO, by default, to BRING DOWN OPPONENTS. So wheres the logic in BOOing your own team? There is none, anyone who disagrees is wrong. Even if its a professional legue where the players are payed. "If you dont like a item, you return it" then you get your money back and buy another item. You dont like Clippers, dont pay to watch them, in fact go ahead and sup[port another team. We, in LA, have two teams so you DO have options. I would never dare to Boo my team.
Ipso Facto, you Boo a team that you WANT TO FAIL. So you BOO your team so they get thier act together? That is achived easily, DONT BUY TICKETS. If you dont buy tickets, the organization looses money. Last years sucess was due to the fact that the organization was not making money.
Another option, cheer for your team actually cheer. Its pathetic how Darell is the only one that can be heard, with the exeptions of the few that try to put together a defense. Instead of Booing the team, actually support them and trust me there will be change. The day we get as loud as a Laker game or PLayoff level is the day we will WIN and play at PO level.
SO THIS IS AN URGENT MESSAGE TO GET UP AND SHOUT/CHEER FRO YOUR TEAM.
LAC_12....just curious, how many Clipper games have you actually been to in the last few years? Because I've lived at Staples the last few years and, while Clipper fans are not nearly as loud as Laker fans (at least while the Lakers have become successful again), they still do a good job of cheering on their team. You make it sound as if the Clipper fans in the Staples center do nothing but boo their team and I can say that's not true from first hand experience. The only times that boo's come out of the crowd is when they see a lack of effort...a rebound falling between two players standing still, no defensive movement, lack of ball movement on offense. These are all effort and thinking areas; they have nothing to do with ability. So when fans see something that should be fixed, they let the players know.
As far as your statement about "last years sucess was due to the fact that the organization was not making money", nothing could be further from the truth. I would love to hear where you got this "fact" from. The Clippers have been among the leagues most profitable teams for years, mainly because they have always had a low payroll, play in a strong market, and get help from the other teams in the NBA. So Donald Sterling has been making plenty of money on the Clippers over the years, which is why people criticized him and said that he cared more about making money than putting a winning team together.
While the Clippers have invested more money into the team as of late, they are still near the bottom in tems of team payroll (number 25). The Lakers on the other hand are number 4, paying about $20 million more in salaries. The Clippers still draw a large number of fans to their games and even did so when they were in their down years.
So, in my opinion, last year's success had nothing to do with whether the team was making or not making money (and the fact is, they were making money!). It had to do with the fact that the Clippers played their butts off, Brand had a career year, and Cassell brought the leadership that was needed. Or maybe it was Walter McCarty being on the team last year...who knew that not bringing him back this year would have such a drastic effect. Maybe we should start the "Bring Back Walter" chants. : )
well, from the article "the problem" (posted dec 21) you posted "I have no problem with Clipper fans booing their team to show their dissatisfaction. I've been to about 10 games this year, and about double that last year." WOW if about 30 games in two seasons makes you feel right at home in staples, you feel adapt quite fast. Ive been attending Clipper games before the milenium with my uncle. Until 2001 i couldnt get season tickets, but since 01 ive been a proud season ticket holder. Within the past 4 seasons of action I have NOT MISSED 1 game. So I hope that clears your CURIOSITY.
You cannot boo your team, YOU encourage them. Thier not doing so hot you cheer HARDER. when you have a kid and he is down because he played a bad game what are you going to do? "yes son you suck, i booed you during the game, but it didnt help.". Well then if thats how its going to be I will stop my arguement right here. if You dont like the way YOUR team is performing and you dont want to cheer for them, THEN PICK ANOTHER TEAM.
This is what defines a true FAN. ONE THAT CAN CHEER ON HIS/HER TEAM DURING THE HARD TIMES. Take one minute, let your guard down, and read this a couple times. Try reading it with an unbaised viewpoint and see if it changes anything. if not, then i give up.
Thanks for clearing my curiousity...now I know a little bit about where you're coming from. And I guess I should have clarified myself too. While I've only been to about 30 games the last two seasons...I've been attending games for a lot longer then you I'm sure. From you're posts, I imagine that you're fairly young, I'm thinking high school age or so (although I first thought that you were more middle school age by all the trouble we go through reading your posts...keep working on that spelling and grammar - it's getting better as of late and people will respect your opinions more if you can communicate them effectively). I've been going to games since the late 80's with guys like Benoit Benjamin, Ken Norman, Gary Grant, Danny Manning, and Quintin Dailey were trying to make the Clippers respectable. But I am impressed by your recent dedication and not missing 1 game in 4 years.
As far as your example of telling my kid they suck after a bad game...well I think that justifies my point in booing rather than yours of not booing. There is a difference between a kid having a bad game and a team not putting the effort or heart into the game...especially after 20 something games in the season. The kid's team is not paying him or her millions of dollars to do a job. As a fan who, with the money we put out for tickets, contributes to paying the players their salaries, we have a part in this team. So I'm going to cheer on this team, just like all Clipper fans do, but I'm also going to reserve the right to boo if they are putting in less than a full effort.
Maybe that's where we disagree. I'm not going to boo if they miss a shot, or if they have a turnover. I am going to boo if they're playing lazy defense or not boxing out to get rebounds or don't run the offense like it should be run. These are things that are based on effort and can be controlled.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree. While I won't tell my kids that they "suck", I will let them know that I expect their full effort in everything they do in life. And I expect the same from the team I root for. Cheering them for lack of effort probably won't communicate my dissatisfaction. And since Coach "Dumb-leavy" likely won't be inviting me to talk to the team at practice, all I am left with is, "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO".
And LAC_12, even though we battle a bit in this forum and don't seem to agree on much, I'm glad that you are a fellow Clipper fan. Have a great holiday and let's keep hoping that our team can turn things around! Go Clippers!
Well apreciate it. and i think we are both getting at each other is a healthy argumentive (if thats a word) environment. Here is where we split. I knd of had a feeling for this, but....
You bring up a point that the players get payed, and that is my downfall. I see you eye to eye in that part. They get paid, heck were paying them to a certain extent, they should put a better performance. I AGREE. but i try to put that aside. I aproach NBA basketball like is college basketball. AND its not, but i think you still can't BOO your own team. Its just a personal thing. for me, if you pick your team you make a choice to stand bhind them 100%. If not you change your team. If you change your team multiple times to teams that are doing good you become a bandwagon. But thats going off topic,since none of us here are like that. Im just saying...
Putting the boos aside and everythin aside. Go to a clipper game and cheer your ass off. If we can bring that college atmosphere in staples it will be amazing. REMEMBER the playoffs? Imagine that, except every game. If we become the loudest, fiercest, warmest crowd in the NBA (difficult feat, but if we come close to it), then we will see a difference.
FINAL THOUGHTS: if you are going to Boo make sure youve cheered louder than everyone in the stadium (and had a couple cheering too). then, after youve cheered, and the clippers are still not putting in effort, and your disfaisfied go ahead and Boo.
Benoit i enjoy our arguments. Knowing you, I wont have to say stay a clippers fan. Get out there and cheer. Brign some friends. And for everyone stay pacient. Merrry Christmas to all! [everyone except the laker fans :) ]
Ok...I'm here watching the 4th quarter of the Clipper-Maverick game. Dallas is leading 110 to 72. Even though the Clippers are down big, I'm trying this "cheer on your team no matter what" thing out. Another bad pass from Chris Kaman...it's okay Chris, you'll do better next time. There's Corey holding the ball too long...it's okay, he'll learn, we're only twenty something games into the season. Thomas not putting effort into his defense...go Tim!! Another bad defensive rotation by Mobley...whoo-hoo Cat! Livingston shooting an amazing 2 for 7 from the field...I'm so glad we didn't trade you for Allen Iverson (who happens to have 19 points and 6 assists through three quarters). Keep it up Shaun!
Ok...screw this. It's not working. Forget this political correctness stuff that says we can't voice our dissatisfaction...that everything we say has to be positive. I hope the Clippers can hear me in Texas as I scream, "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Hardcore Clipper fans can be a passionate bunch. If you're at the game and the team is just not putting forth the effort then I think you have every right to boo and let them know that you don't appreciate them being out-hustled. Booing doesn't mean we've turned our back on the team- it's just a means of communicating displeasure. The players are supposed to take the boos as motivation to play better- and when they do I'm sure the fans would shower them with loud cheers of support.
BOOS are motivational??? well maybe we should just boo our team constantly. I dont know about you, but in the history of sports we BOO opponents. Do we want to motivate them? BooING is not motivational. We especially cannot Boo when we are not cheering loud. Clipper fans are passionate, but they are not loud. Darrell and a couple people that chant defense have a right to boo the team. They waste energey to "Motivate" them., and then they dont perform, THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BOO (not really, but more then any of the other people).