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Post subject: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
 Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:21 PM PST
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| Sounds funny doesn't it? Rumors are beginning to surface that Chris Paul isn't happy about how New Orleans has lately been making moves to shed salary rather than to make the team a playoff contender. Meanwhile, the Clippers have positioned themselves to go after a big time free agent next summer. Why not go after that player now. We have the ability to make an offer that most teams just can't match can offer. We have some interesting young players, players with expiring contracts, and an extra valuable first round draft pick that is likely to be a lotter pick and maybe even a top 5 pick via Minnesota. Does Baron Davis and that 1st round pick get it done? Or do we have to throw in Camby's expiring contract as well? What would you trade? What do you think would work? And do you even want to bring CP3 her to the Clips? Would CP3 balk at a trade to come to the Clips? I have more questiions than answers. Your turn. |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:31 PM PST
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| ^^ you mean New Orleans, right? |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:34 PM PST
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| Chris Paul wouldn't come here man and if we even did have a chance the clippers office is to stupid to jump on it |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:54 PM PST
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| I dont think the Hornets want Baron back. Didnt things between Baron and the Hornets not work out before he went to GS? |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 07:02 PM PST
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| ^^ Yes, Baron's tenure with the Hornets ended badly. I very much doubt they'd want him back. Plus, with the numbers CP has been putting up through the first few games, there is no way New Orleans is going to trade him right now. I'm pretty sure he's under contract through the end of next season and, while he may be unhappy, I don't believe he's the type that is going to force a trade. He's too much of a competitor to start milking minor injuries or not perform his best when he's on the floor. So, while I'd be as happy about the Clippers getting CP3 as I would about them getting anyone, I just don't see it happening -- at least not this season. However, when he's a free agent again, assuming we have some cap space, we definitely should take a run at him. |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 07:16 PM PST
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Barons best year was at NO in 04. He scored 23 PPG and still averaged 19 PPG in his final year there in 05. He was then traded to Golden State where he average 20 PPG over 3 1/2 seasons. He has only become dysfunctional after coming here.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_dav ... stats.html
When we talk trade, it is pure speculation at this point. But a trade is actually better for the Clips. Because if we go into the free agency market next season, nobody of value may want to come here. If we win this season and show promise, our chances are better in free agency. But if we don't, we just may have all of these expiring contracts but end up like the homely girl standing in the corner of the dance hall that nobody wants to dance with. If a great trade opportunity comes along and we can get the job done using pieces that we don't mind giving up like an extra 1st round pick, or an expiring contract for a player we were not intending to keep anyway, then I say pull the trigger. Can we get Chris Paul? Nobody knows at this point. But we can offer a lot if they are truely going to go into rebuilding mode. And if Chris becomes unhappy there. There is no doubt in my mind that if we can build a team around CP3, Kaman, Blake, and Eric, we are a contender. |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 07:18 PM PST
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| wasnt this posted already?? |
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Post subject: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 07:48 PM PST
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| Would anyone here give up Chris Paul in exchange for Baron Davis and a couple of first round picks? |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Should the Clippers go after Chris Paul?
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 08:14 PM PST
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journeyman wrote:
Would anyone here give up Chris Paul in exchange for Baron Davis and a couple of first round picks?
Yeah seriously this is ludicrous. We're more likely looking at Gordon and Griffin for Paul. Paul is barley 24 years old and his career stats are off the charts.
That being said, this team would be f**king amazing with Paul at the helm and EJ, Blake, and Kaman as his supporting cast. |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 08:21 PM PST
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 08:47 PM PST
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| if the reason Chris Paul wants to leave is to win, why would he come here? Guys can we stop living in fantasy land? |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 09:13 PM PST
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baron+fillers for cp3 4 mvp
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 09:59 PM PST
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| ideas and illogical fantasies are two different things |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 11:40 PM PST
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| I would love this scenario, but New Orleans is not going to let go of CP3. There are some players you must keep at all costs. These are a few that their respective teams will never let go: Kobe, CP3, Lebron, Dwight Howard. I wish it were true that we had a shot at CP3 but these threads just build false hope |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 11:58 PM PST
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| The only way CP3 is going anywhere is if he forces the issue... If he does, anything is possible, though I seriously doubt they would be a taker for Baron... They might as well just burn the arena down if they did that. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 12:50 AM PST
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| Getting Paul for Baron Davis + picks would be incredible, but I highly doubt that the Hornets would go for it, especially considering Baron has quite a few more years left on his BIG contract. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 12:59 AM PST
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| Hornets would want cap space and picks not BD's contract. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 02:25 AM PST
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| Definetelly IMO CP3 and Deron Williams are the best NBA PGs. I've taken a look about their contracts and they have the same kind of contract. It expires 2012 with a player option for another year. I don't see any move involving these guys after these dates...unfortunatelly, of course |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 07:18 PM PST
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| blasana is right, they only trade CP3 if they are rebuilding, and would want draft picks and expiring contracts. We can offer both. They may have to wait to see if their season starts to tank, and if Paul's level of discontent starts to rise. If so, they may want to deal. You would think they would want to rebuild around Paul, but there recent trades say they are cutting payroll instead. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 08:05 PM PST
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| Chris Paul is still young and is the best PG in the league. He's the guy you build your team around, not the guy you get rid of when it's time to rebuild. He's not going anywhere unless it's just a fire sale where they need to sell their franchise... This is a pipe dream. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 08:27 PM PST
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| isnt steve nash also up in 2010? how bout him? |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 11:49 PM PST
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| Nash will be like 37 and, if he's lucky, will have 2 seasons left at the most |
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Posted: Nov 07, 2009 - 03:20 AM PST
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| We would probably have to give up a lot to get CP. Don't know if he is even available. Why would the Hornets want to dump him? |
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Posted: Nov 07, 2009 - 03:00 PM PST
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| Pipe Dream? Some of the greatest players the NBA has ever seen have been traded. So how would Chris Paul get traded? His agent calls and says to the GM "We are below 500, you made trades to save money instead of building a championship team, Chris is not happy, he will not sign with you when his contract is up in 2 years, so you might as well trade him as soon as you can and get something in return. The closer he gets to his contract being up the less you will get, Sooooo..............getur done!" Will this conversation take place? Has it already taken place? Only time will tell. |
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Posted: Nov 07, 2009 - 04:31 PM PST
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ToneE wrote:
isnt steve nash also up in 2010? how bout him?
no nash was a free agent this year, and i think he signed a 3 year contract extension |
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Posted: Nov 07, 2009 - 04:34 PM PST
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| There's no way he gets traded to the Clippers. Clipps04 was right, it would take Gordon and Griffin, and I don't think any of us wants that. It rediculous to think they would take Baron. He's not the same player he used to be and still has 3 years left on his expensive contract. The Hornets have showed that they are trying to cut payroll. |
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Posted: Nov 07, 2009 - 04:40 PM PST
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Pipe Dream? Some of the greatest players the NBA has ever seen have been traded. So how would Chris Paul get traded? His agent calls and says to the GM "We are below 500, you made trades to save money instead of building a championship team, Chris is not happy, he will not sign with you when his contract is up in 2 years, so you might as well trade him as soon as you can and get something in return. The closer he gets to his contract being up the less you will get, Sooooo..............getur done!" Will this conversation take place? Has it already taken place? Only time will tell.
The first part of trying to get Paul, would be moving Baron since they're both point guards and you can't have 30-million in payroll spent on one position... N.O. won't take an aging PG if they're going to rebuild, so Baron would have to be moved elsewhere first and we would have to hope we could put together a package that would be enticing enough. Pipe dream because we already have an expensive point guard.
Now, for the Lakers, it's not so much a pipe dream... They don't have much money tied up at the PG position, so they would have to move a promising young player that N.O. covetted; Andrew Bynum + something else... That's doable should Paul force his way out of NO as you described. For us, it's a pipe dream unless multiple teams were involved...
Say GS wants Baron back... He goes there for Randolph and we ship Randolph and DeAndre Jordan for Paul, plus all the players it would take to make the cap numbers work... Too unlikely to waste time thinking about. |
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Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 08:42 AM PST
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| Good analysis...Sam Mays. I agree that Baron would need to be traded elsewhere and we would really need to offer a package that NO could not turn down. But it will never work unless NO has received the message that he will never sign with them again when his contract is up. Having said that, if I were the Clips I would not complete a trade unless an extension or new long term deal is agreed upon in advance before the trade, otherwise he could bail on us as well when his contract is up. |
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Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 07:45 PM PST
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| I think what this teaches us as a franchise is to stop with the five year deals. We should offer players a two year deal to begin with, and if it works out then sign for a longer term. The whole Baron thing just really killed us. We have a lot of great scenarios, but due to the long term commitment we have with Baron it makes it difficult to deal him. |
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Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 08:54 PM PST
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The problem with Baron's deal isn't the length... Virtually all starting players get five year deals. The problem with Baron's deal is that he hasn't lived up to it... He's clearly much better this year that last, but still isn't playing like a 13-million a year guy. Perhaps he will, but last year really hurt his stock around the league... Team don't trust him to stay in shape and energized for the length of his contract.
The key is to be very careful to whom you give five years to... Teams have been ruined by it. Look at Milwaukee giving Redd and Bogut huge deals. Both are solid players, but neither is good enough to carry a team the way a max player needs to. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Roy, Bosh... To me a Max player should make your team 500 while playing with average players as Lebron did early in his career and still does to an extent. |
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Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 11:03 PM PST
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SamMays wrote:
The problem with Baron's deal isn't the length... Virtually all starting players get five year deals. The problem with Baron's deal is that he hasn't lived up to it... He's clearly much better this year that last, but still isn't playing like a 13-million a year guy. Perhaps he will, but last year really hurt his stock around the league... Team don't trust him to stay in shape and energized for the length of his contract.
The key is to be very careful to whom you give five years to... Teams have been ruined by it. Look at Milwaukee giving Redd and Bogut huge deals. Both are solid players, but neither is good enough to carry a team the way a max player needs to. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Roy, Bosh... To me a Max player should make your team 500 while playing with average players as Lebron did early in his career and still does to an extent.
True, Baron hasn't lived up to his deal, and at the time it was given we were basing a five year deal on his great success at Golden State. However, as soon as he doned the Clipper uniform he just hasn't lived up to what he should be playing. I still think length is the key issue because if we had signed him for a 2-3 year deal we could at least rest easy knowing that despite Baron being a failure we would have only been stuck with him for 2-3 years versus 5. I think the front office should start going this route now, at least as a trial period because we have just lost so much from these multi year signings. If a player doesn't work at the worst you are only stuck with him for two years, and some one would likely trade him for a good player to get rid of salary. Anyway, it's all hindsite now, but we really should can these 4-5 year deals (at least until the player has proven himself with the team) |
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